Status: ASSOCIATE; GUEST SPEAKERNetworks: Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Dynamic Duo, Twilight Pines
Group Contacts: Craig Lazo, Jennifer Wynhausen, possibly Sara Lamadrid
Conspiracy conartist and blowhard, Fetzer is a Fagin father figure to several Milli Vanilli-style made to order "truther" celebrities including Rosalee Grable aka Webfairy, "Killtown" and Judy Wood. Close associate of Larouchies Webster Tarpley and Phil Berg, as well as Holocaust denier Kevin Barrett. Used his radio program as a platform to call for harassment of "enemies" of the group.
JFK
Back in the Days of Yore, or at least the late '90's, Fetzer was mixing with the JFK conspiracy clowns. One day someone who wasn't completely braindead or brainwashed did some digging that connected Fetzer to the Moonie cult:
Message from discussion Fetzer & Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Feb 10 1998, 1:00 am
Subj: Fetzer & the Rev. Sun Myung Moon
The newsgroups have recently been the scene of some heated
debates on the merits of the recently released book titled
Assassination Science. The Author, James Fetzer, had some
intense confrontations with Martin Shakelford and Howard
Platzman. Fetzer has implied that Martin is some kind of
disinformation agent. The readers might want to learn about
an association of Jim Fetzer's with a book publisher that is
owned by a man who is no stranger to "disinformation."
The "Moonies" are a religious cult headed by the Rev. Sun
Myung Moon. Moon founded the Unification Church. A book company
by the name of Paragon House has published several books that
Jim Fetzer has authored or edited. Paragon House (and the
Washington Times) are both owned by Sun Myung Moon. Here is
information about Paragon House and about the books they
have published by James Fetzer. I draw no conclusions about the
motivation of Jim Fetzer to be involved with Paragon House. We'll
leave it up to the reader to make their own interpretation.
This first section of information was found at...
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Unification-Church/moonlist.txt
MOON MEDIA FRONTS:
Paragon House Publishers * 866 2nd Ave., NYC; 212-223-6433 (owned
by Paragon Book Reprint Co., which is owned by International
Cultural Foundation; also at 481 8th Ave., 212-239-7422
International Cultural Foundation * (I.C.F.) 1667 K St., NW,
Washington, DC 20006; 202-293-9393; also 4 W. 43rd St., NYC
10036; 212-947-1756 (funds many church projects, especially
Int'l Conf. on Unity of Sciences; sole shareholder of
Paragon House Publishers) Neil Albert Salonen, President
(former Pres. of Unif. Church of America, 1971-80)
International Conference for the Unity of the Sciences * (ICUS)
481 8th Ave., Rm 747, NYC 10001; 212-947-1756 (funded by
Int'l Cultural Foundation)
The following information is from Paragon House's Web site.
http://www.paragonhouse.com/Paragon/information.html
Paragon House is a member of the Continuum Publishing Group, New York.
In 1981, the International Cultural Foundation purchased Paragon Book
and Reprint Corporation in New York, a company specializing in Asian
books and Asian philosophy, and expanded it to a mid-size publishing
house to support religious scholars, philosophers, social theorists,
and scientists writing on issues affecting contemporary life. In 1996,
the main office moved to St. Paul, Minnesota.
2700 University Avenue West, Suite 47, St. Paul, Minnesota 55114 USA
Phone: (612)644-3087 -- Fax: (800) 494-0997
Here are the first three books listed in Paragon House's Web
site under category of philosophy:
PHILOSOPHY AND COGNITIVE SCIENCE
Second Edition: Revised and Expanded
James H. Fetzer
This volume provides an introduction to cognitive science, the
most exciting and fastest growing area of intellectual inquiry in the
world today. It examines the principal problems that cognitive
science addresses, the solutions it considers, and the intellectual
landscape against which its importance may be measured.
ISBN 1-55778-739-5 Paper $16.95, References, Indexes, pp. 208
CONTENTS
Chapter 1 A Science of Cognition
Chapter 2 Are we Brains in Vats?
Chapter 3 Minds and Machines
Chapter 4 The Nature of Language
Chapter 5 What is Mentality?
Chapter 6 Connectionism and Cognition
Chapter 7 Mental Development
Chapter 8 Are Humans Rational?
Chapter 9 Mentality, Causality, Morality
"Jim Fetzer's abilities as a stimulating teacher and as an insightful
scholar are wonderfully woven together in Philosophy and Cognitive
Science. He introduces a broad range of perspectives and insights
on the interaction of philosophy and the rapidly developing
disciplines of cognitive science.Reading [it] is a richly
rewarding experience."
--William Bechtel, Washington University, and current Editor of
Philosophical Psychology
"This is a good book. Innovative in its integration of computational
and connectionist approaches with more traditional views of thought
and representation, the book ably introduces a host of issues at the
interface of philosophy of mind and cognitive science. It will be
valuable to anyone with a general interest in cognitive science
and should also be popular as a text."
--George Graham, University of Alabama, Birmingham, and former Editor
of Behavior and Philosophy
JAMES H. FETZER is McKnight University Professor at the University of
Minnesota, Duluth. Heis author of Philosophy of Science and Foundations
of Philosophy of Science: Recent Developments and co-author of Glossary
of Epistemology/Philosophy of Science and Glossaryof Cognitive Science.
He is Editor of Minds and Machines and Series Editor of Studies in
Cognitive Systems.
FOUNDATIONS OF PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE
Recent Developments
Edited by JAMES H. FETZER
University of Minnesota, Duluth
ISBN 1-55778-480-9, 512 pp., index, paper $28.95
Twenty-five classic and contemporary articles by Rudolf Carnap, Karl
Popper, Carl Hempel, Wesley Salmon and many others provide accessible
and stimulating reading in this growing field. Organized to correspond
to the companion volume, Philosophy of Science, these papers investigate
the methods and goals of empirical science and explore connections
between the history and philosophy of science. Review questions and
an extensive bibliography make Foundations of Philosophy of Science
useful as both a supplemental and independent text for courses in
philosophy and the social sciences.
PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE
JAMES H. FETZER
University of Minnesota, Duluth
ISBN 1-55778-481-7, 195 pp., index, paper $16.95
The development of science has been a distinctive feature of human
history in recent times, especially in the seventeenth and eighteenth
centuries. In light of the problems that define the philosophy of
science today, James Fetzer provides a foundation for inquiry into
the nature of science, the history of science, and the relationship
between the two.
By emphasizing the importance of methodological commitments to the
study of science and the significance of interpretations of
probability to understanding laws of nature and scientific
explanations, this book offers a welcome framework for investigating
the most recent work and the most promising solutions to the central
problems that arise within this discipline. The result is a timely
introduction to an increasingly important field.
SPECIAL FEATURES:
Clear, accessible, and comprehensive
Written by a major contributor to the field
Broad scope of coverage with concise discussion
Historical examples skillfully woven into the text
Companion anthology organized to correspond to the text
JAMES H. FETZER is professor of philosophy at the University of
Minnesota, Duluth. In addition to publishing more than seventy
articles and reviews, he is the author of Philosophy and Cognitive
Science (1991), the editor of Foundations of Philosophy of Science:
Recent Developments (1993), and coauthor of The Paragon Glossary
of Cognitive Science (with Charles Dunlop, forthcoming), and The
Paragon Glossary in Epistemology/Philosophy of Science (with Robert
Almeder).
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It's like the group and it's associates have a fatal attraction to cults: Larouche, NATLFED, Scientology, and now the Moonies. The cognitive science book is still sorta available on Amazon:
Product Details
- Paperback: 187 pages
- Publisher: Paragon House; 1st edition (December 1990)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1557781958
- ISBN-13: 978-1557781956
- Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 5.9 x 0.8 inches
- Shipping Weight: 10.4 ounces
Moron Fetzer and the Moonies:
Subject:
Fetzer and Moonies
Date:
Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:01:19 -0600
From:
dxmivi@aol.com
Organization:
Deja News Posting Service
Newsgroups:
alt.conspiracy.jfk
James Fetzer has supplied additional information about his association with the Moonies. He acknowledges that he knows that the publisher of several of his books, Paragon House, is owned by the Moonies. Jim Fetzer states:
"With respect to Paragon House, I was initially contacted by two respected philosophers, John Roth of Claremont Graduate School and Frederick Sontag of Pomona College, who were editing a series of textbooks for undergraduates, asking if I might be interested in authoring an introduction to the field of cognitive science. I liked the idea and soon found myself working with an excellent in-house editor, Peter Coveney, now the Executive Editor of M.E. Sharpe, Inc., of Armonk, New York. When I discovered the house was owned by the Moonies, I had a lengthy talk with Peter, who as-sured me that the publishing house was independent of any editorial control from the Moonies."
George Bush has assured the world that The Washington Times is also independent from editorial control of the Moonies and Sun Myung Moon. As we shall see later in this post, this is obviously not the case. It seems that persons on this news group do not realize the significance of an association with a Moonie-owned propaganda organization. This is not an exercise in character assassination and there is no intent to imply guilt by association in this message. Jim Fetzer may not realize what it means to be welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. If he does not, this may serve to enlighten him. If, on the other hand, he knows and does not care, then everyone should view his writings with suspicion, no matter what the subject matter may be.
Fetzer says he believed Mr. Coveney's assurances that Paragon House was "independent" of Moonie control. He may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because he says he believes this, does not exclude the possibility that he knows that they are not independent. There is also the possibility that Coveney was deliberately misleading Fetzer.
Fetzer also says that he believes that Paragon House is not profitable. He states:
"Publishing is a mixed bag for the Moonies, as I understand it, however, since Paragon appears to lose money."
If Paragon House looses money, that does not mean that it isn't worth the loss, if it furthers the propaganda purposes of the Moonie cult. It also may be a useful write-off for the Moon organization, if it is a money looser. If it does make money, and Fetzer seems uncertain about this, it supports the cult and its "goals" with its financial gains.
Let's look at the circumstances of the acquisition of Paragon House by the Moonies. The following excerpt was taken from: http://WWW.PWPA.ORG/Congress/1stcong.html
[The First International Congress of Professors World Peace Academy Seoul, Korea - December 18, 1983 The First International Congress was held as an organizing event for the PWPA International network. The Founder of PWPA called professors from 72 nations to Seoul, Korea in December 1983. They participated in ten days of whirlwind speaking throughout Korea, giving messages at evening banquets. Then, on December 18th the professors met together for a luncheon meeting at the Little Angels Performing Arts Center at which the Reverend Moon set forth his vision of the mission of PWPA:
"The ultimate goal of PWPA is to help create a just and harmonious world order by encouraging scholars to search for new ideas and methods of achieving peace and prosperity."
His vision included the creation of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers has become the center of this effort.]
So, we have the leader of one of the world's largest religious cults creating organizations to further his "vision" and we see he has used the book publisher Paragon House as the "center of this effort." The "goal" is "to create a just and harmonious world order."
As we saw in a previous post, International Cultural Foundation is the sole owner of Paragon House and its President is a former President of the Unification Church.
> International Cultural Foundation * (I.C.F.) 1667 K St., NW,
> Washington, DC 20006; 202-293-9393; also 4 W. 43rd St., NYC
> 10036; 212-947-1756 (funds many church projects, especially
> Int'l Conf. on Unity of Sciences; sole shareholder of
> Paragon House Publishers) Neil Albert Salonen, President
> (former Pres. of Unif. Church of America, 1971-80)
The following passage was found at http://www.pwpa.ORG/General/icf.html
[The International Cultural Foundation (ICF) has provided major support for the Professors World Peace Academy. It was established by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon with the purpose of promoting academic, scientific, and cultural activities... ....Paragon House was organized in 1982 as an outgrowth of products generated by the projects supported by the International Cultural Foundation. Professors World Peace Academy and the International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences publish their scholarly books as imprints of Paragon House.]
That information was obtained from a Moonie site. Their assertion that Paragon House is independent is highly doubtful. These organizations were created by cult leader Sun Myung Moon to further his own agenda.
So far, in this post, we have presented information taken only from Moonie sources. To see a critical perspective of Moon, his activities, agenda, alliances and organizations, please see the information that is provided under the title of "The Dark Side of Rev. Moon Series" at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html
Here are some enlightening examples of Moon and his despicable agenda.
Under the title, "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Hooking Bush," we learn that as Moon was trying to establish a newspaper to further his propaganda purposes and gain influence in South America, he met resistance from Argentina's president Carlos Menem. Since Menem was unwilling to endorse the new publishing venture because of Moon's particularly unsavory past, who do we see fly in from the US to save the day and deliver the keynote speech at the Buenos Aires bash held to celebrate the launch of the paper? The endorsement came from none other than our own ex-president George Herbert Walker Bush. Here is an excerpt from "Hooking Bush."
[Bush lavished praise on Moon and his journalistic enterprises. "I want to salute Reverend Moon, who is the founder of The Washington Times and also of Tiempos del Mundo," Bush declared. "A lot of my friends in South America don't know about The Washington Times, but it is an independent voice. The editors of The Washington Times tell me that never once has the man with the vision interfered with the running of the paper, a paper that in my view brings sanity to Washington, D.C. I am convinced that Tiempos del Mundo is going to do the same thing" in Latin America.]
But was "Poppy" telling the truth about the Washington Times? Another quote from the same article tells the real story about the "independent voice" of The Washington Times.
[Bush's endorsement of The Washington Times' editorial independence also was not truthful. Almost since it opened in 1982, a string of senior editors and correspondents have resigned, citing the manipulation of the news by Moon and his subordinates. The first editor, James Whelan, resigned in 1984, confessing that he had "blood on his hands" for helping the church achieve greater legitimacy.]
So was George Bush helping out his friend, Moon, out of the kindness of his heart? Let's look at more from "Hooking Bush."
[After the event, Menem told reporters from La Nacion that Bush had claimed privately to be only a mercenary who did not really know Moon. "Bush told me he came and charged money to do it," Menem said. [Nov. 26, 1996]. But Bush was not telling Menem the whole story. By last fall, Bush and Moon had been working in political tandem for at least a decade and a half. The ex-president also had been moonlighting as a front man for Moon for more than a year...
....Bush's office has refused to divulge how much Moon-affiliated organizations have paid the ex-president. But estimates of Bush's fee for the Buenos Aires appearance alone ran between $100,000 and $500,000. Sources close to the Unification Church have put the total Bush-Moon package in the millions, with one source telling The Consortium that Bush stood to make as much as $10 million.]
Another article in "The Dark Side of Rev. Moon Series" titled: "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Buying the Right" tells us:
[Moon's rhetoric has turned stridently anti-American, another problem for the Religious Right and its strongly patriotic positions. On May 1, 1997, Moon told a group of followers that "the country that represents Satan's harvest is America." [Unification News, June 1997] In other sermons, he has vowed that his victorious movement will "digest" any American who tries to maintain his or her individuality. He especially has criticized American women who must "negate yourself 100 percent" to be a receptacle for the male seed. [For details of Moon's speeches, see The Consortium, July 28, 1997]
Still, despite his controversial remarks, Moon continues to buy friends on the American right -- as well as among African-American religious figures -- by spreading around vast sums of money. The totals are estimated in the billions of dollars, with much of it targeted on political infrastructure: direct-mail operations, video services for campaign ads, professional operatives and right-wing media outlets.]
Let's look deeper at Rev. Moon and his agenda. From "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Truth, Legend & Lies" we learn:
[Reports by the CIA, the FBI and Defense Intelligence Agency painted a picture of a secretive religion with close ties to South Korea's brutal intelligence service, the KCIA, as well as to prominent right-wing industrialists linked to the Japanese mob, the yakuza.]
And...
[Moon's church also was active in the Asian People's Anti-Communist League, a fiercely right-wing group founded by the governments of South Korea and Taiwan. In 1966, the group expanded into the World Anti-Communist League, an international alliance that brought together traditional conservatives with former Nazis, overt racialists and Latin American "death squad" operatives. In an interview, retired U.S. Army Gen. John K. Singlaub, a former WACL president, said "the Japanese [WACL] chapter was taken over almost entirely by Moonies."]
And...
[Although blacked-out portions obscured who was stating some of the conclusions -- a specific source or the FBI -- the report described the church as "an absolutely totalitarian organization" which was part of an international "conspiracy" that functioned by its own rules. "One of the central doctrines of the Moon religious aspects is what they call heavenly deception. ... It basically says that to take from Satan what rightfully belongs to God, you may do most anything. You may lie, cheat, steal or kill."]
And...
[Thousands of dollars were earmarked for "special manipulation" of congressmen; their staffs were to be infiltrated with paid "collaborators"; an "intelligence network" was to be put into the White House; money was targeted for "manipulation" of officials at the Pentagon, State Department and CIA; some U.S. journalists were to be spied on, while others would be paid; a "black newspaper" would be started in New York; contacts with American scholars would be coordinated "with Psychological Warfare Bureau"; and "an organizational network of anti-communist fronts" would be created.
Several months later, in summer 1976, Moon returned to the United States and delivered a flattering pro-U.S. speech at the Washington Monument. On a deeper level, however, Moon seemed to be following the KCIA script. Moon started a small-circulation newspaper in New York City that featured Jesse Jackson's column. Moon promoted the anti-communist cause through front groups which held conferences and paid speaking fees to academics, journalists and political leaders.]
And finally...
Moon and his new U.S. conservative allies mounted a strong defense, however. In pro-Moon publications, Fraser and his staff were pilloried as leftists. Anti-Moon witnesses were assailed as unstable liars. Minor bookkeeping problems inside the investigation, such as Fraser's salary advances to some staff members, were seized upon to justify demands for an ethics probe of the congressman.
One of those ethics letters, dated June 30, 1978, came from John T. "Terry" Dolan of the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC). Dolan's group was pioneering the strategy of "independent" TV attack ads which smeared liberal Democrats. In turn, Moon's CAUSA International helped Dolan by contributing $500,000 to a Dolan group, known as the Conservative Alliance or CALL. [ Washington Post, Sept. 17, 1984]
With support from Dolan and others, Moon weathered the Koreagate political storm. Fraser lost a Senate bid in 1978 and was out of Congress. Then, in 1980, Reagan won the White House and extended a VIP invitation for Moon to attend the presidential inaugural. The theocrat had arrived.
But Moon still faced nagging legal problems from the 1970s. Over objections from senior Reagan administration officials at the Justice Department, federal prosecutors in New York City insisted on pursuing a tax case against Moon for fraudulently reporting his income. The case led to Moon's 1982 conviction and a 13-month prison term, but the more serious case against Moon as a suspected intelligence agent petered out. It's still not clear why.
"I don't think there was any doubt that the Moon newspaper took a virulently pro-South Korea position," explained Oliver "Buck" Revell, then a senior FBI official in the national security area. "But whether there was something illegal about it..." His voice trailed off. As for the internal security investigation in the 1970s, Revell added only: "It led its full life."]
Does anyone recognize the name of Oliver "Buck" Revell?
I think we have made our point. We could quote from hundreds of pages of material that details the history of the notorious Sun Myung Moon. He is a person who has tremendous influence in the world. This person is the ultimate example of religion gone bad. His massive propaganda machine is too vast to describe in any one post to a news group.
Jim Fetzer has been selected to be part of the Moonie information machine. He may not know how evil Rev. Moon is. He may think that Paragon House is free from control, but that is not the case. Every author who is selected and invited to write for them is seen as an integral part of the Moonie agenda. I will not accuse Fetzer of deliberately and knowingly furthering that agenda, but, if he has any conscience, he will immediately disassociate himself from their efforts to "create a just and harmonious world order" (Moon's words).
He should break away from Moon's "vision" that "included the creation of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers has become the center of this effort." (Quote from Moonie site).
Our thanks to Robert Parry and the Consortium, where much of this material exposing the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Professors World Peace Academy, International Cultural Foundation and Paragon House was found. Visit them at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html
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Fetzer: The Last Word?
Subject:
Fetzer: The Last Word?
Date:
Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:31:33 -0600
From:
dxmivi@aol.com
Organization:
Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
Newsgroups:
alt.conspiracy.jfk
Let me respond to the person some are now calling Uncle Fester. Then I
will try to resist any further comment because I think it serves no real
purpose to argue with someone who, at times, in recent posts, comes off
sounding almost like a mental case. Perhaps he enjoys arguing, and he
likes the idea that JFK researchers who are drawn into fighting with him
are pulled away from more productive uses of their time. Martin Shackelford
and Howard Platzman took him apart like the intellectual tinker-toy
set that he is, but, like a deaf, dumb and blind energizer bunny, he
just keeps right on going. And his supporters either don't care or don't
understand.
This is an extremely difficult person to reason with, because he invents
his own ridiculous logic/proof system and thinks he is fooling people
into believing this system makes sense when a ten-year-old child who is
above average intelligence should see through it very quickly. I will
expose this comical "proof" methodology later in this post.
I am not connected to any of the anti-cult organizations that try to
show the world how evil the Moonies are, as he wrongly asserts, (without
any backing - as he does often on JFK issues). I had to spend hours
studying and searching for information that demonstrated that Paragon House
is part of the Moonie propaganda effort. I thought perhaps Fetzer would
realize what a monster he is in bed with, but instead, he responded with
unfounded and ludicrous accusations about me seeking to deprive him of
his right to free speech. Mr. Fetzer, is free to exist as an approved
asset of the Unification Church if he likes. I obviously was not certain
that he was aware that he is a tool for their goals, but that does not
stop him from incorrectly claiming that I was aware of this. The Rev. Moon
and his organization, themselves, are the source for the much of that
information.
Let me say that I have Fetzer's book, and have, like Martin, read enough
of it to see how shockingly bad the parts of it he has authored really are.
I cannot recommend the book, and I realize that bad publicity may help
to sell it as well as favorable reaction, but it is worth the risk to
expose the degree of worthlessness of Fetzer's contributions to it. There
have been many poorly written books on this case from both sides. People
should not waste their money on this one, despite the fact that Fetzer
somehow convinced people who are credible (such as Crenshaw and Kizzia) to
make contributions. This is my opinion, and I feel the need to express it.
The absurdity of labeling Martin Shackelford a disinformation agent was
the catalyst for my involvement. Jim deserves far worse treatment for that
than the things that I have said about him in the previous two posts. Now
he seems to have declared war on me for trying to make people aware that
he was accepted as a part of the Moonie propaganda machine. He knows I
was careful not to say whether I knew he was aware of this. He also knew
that I was also careful to state that I was not even sure the person who
recruited Fetzer for the Moonies knew this. Let me show the readers just
how Fetzer twists the statements of those that dare to challenge his
surprisingly amateurish JFK assassination work.
But first, let's see an example of his paranoid and/or provocative
assumptions that have no basis in reality. I want Fetzer's contributors,
supporters and those that endorsed the book on the dust jacket to pay
careful attention to what I say in this post. I will also demonstrate how
Fetzer employs an extremely poorly-reasoned logic and proof system to
assert that certain things he claims about the JFK assassination are
transformed from conjecture into what he claims is certainty and truth.
Why he chose to respond to my post on the weberman.com news group (now
run by queenbee.net, I believe) which few people even subscribe to, makes
little sense, since I did not post any of this to that group at all.
He states in his rambling and confusing response that my latest post
(which suggested he sever his ties to the Moonies) was intended to end
in his "conforming to the expressed wishes and desired (sic) of dxmivi
and Deja News."
Allow me to educate Mr. Fetzer on dejanews. Dejanews provides an online
archive of news group posts and also serves as a vehicle for making
posts on the groups. I have never met anyone at dejanews. How he jumps
to mindless conclusions about them allying with me in some sort of
conspiratorial cabal to "smear" him speaks volumes about the quality
of all of his work. He builds on mistaken or unproven assumptions to
weave a web of specious and false statements of "fact" that seem nothing
more than paranoid and incompetent ravings. So much of what is in his
questionable writings follows this maddening torture of logic that it
renders Fetzer's "research", in my opinion, to be virtually useless.
He accuses me of "guilt by association", but what about the unlucky
persons that are now associated with his book that has come to be known
behind the scenes (by those who see through it) as "Assassinating Science."
I have great respect for David Mantik and am just amazed as to why he
would be associated with someone who employs such twisted logic. Fetzer's
work makes JFK researchers, in general, look kooky "by association." The
titling of Mantik's chapter as "Special Effects in the Zapruder Film: How
the Film of the Century Was Edited" does not accurately characterize
the speculative and inconclusive nature of the evidence offered in the
chapter. Fetzer, and all his Lancer panel full of "experts" has proven
nothing. I don't know for sure that the Z-film was not altered, but
adding up all of these "anomalies" still fails to "prove" any alteration.
Most of them can be very easily and quite conclusively discounted. And
I would guess that Fetzer is bitter towards people like Martin Shackelford
for having the desire and knowledge to do exactly that. Jim Fetzer
asserts that "The author has taken a part of a lengthy post that
placed my involvement with Paragon House in perspective and extensively
edited it, even to the extent of cutting out the most important sentences
found therein."
I could care less about the other publishers of his books. They are
obviously not relevant to making clear that he is associated with a
notorious cult. In fact, they show that Fetzer doesn't need the
endorsement or support of the Moonies and doesn't have to take their
dirty money because other publishers might have published them. I
"edited out" nothing and was presenting only the information on the
Moonies and Paragon House because the other books had nothing to do
with the point I was making. This is another example of Fetzer's
methodology. He states assumption as fact and then builds upon it to
twist and distort for effect. He speaks of my post as being "a case
study in propagandistic (sic) techniques" but would be more accurate if
he was describing his own tactics rather than my own. It is almost
useless to attempt to debate a person who thinks this way, because
no matter how you debunk his claims and point out the procedural
absurdity in his logic, he will act as if he had won the argument.
Here is a further example of his twist-doctor management of the
Paragon House publications that he has been involved with and how I
"edited out" the other work he has done. He states: "All of this
information, however, has been edited out by Deja News to create a
false impression that my publishing revolves about Paragon House,
which is not true."
I made no such assertion that he was exclusively published by Paragon
House. And Dejanews' involvement is a figment of Fetzer's paranoid
delusions about who is out to get him. Is dejanews run by "scumsucking
pigs" as he labeled Martin Shackelford? Am I also a "disinformation
agent" as he characterized Martin, with not a shred of evidence other
than the fact that Martin, like myself, is probably just sick and tired
of "experts", like James Fetzer, who present themselves as authorities
on the assassination (who could be more accurately described as
literary quacks who do more harm than good to the "search for truth"?)
The lone nutters have a field day when they see work of the quality
as that presented by Jim Fetzer. The media and public officials rightly
run for cover when they encounter Fetzer and people like him.
And what are the readers of these battles between Fetzer and Shackelford
and Fetzer and Platzman and Fetzer and myslf going to think? They might
just recognize his tactics and determine that his book is probably more
of the same illogical and nonsensical raving. Fetzer asks, "And what
does Geoge (sic) Bush have to do with my books?" The answer is obvious.
Bush claimed that The Washington Times was free of Moonie influence. I
demonstrated in the last post that this was not the case. Fetzer makes
a similar assertion about Paragon House. I showed this to not be the
case (without accusing Fetzer of being aware of this reality). He
now seems to claim that I did just that. This tactic of distorting
the opposing side's argument was continually evident in his debates
with Martin and Howard. Fetzer asserted Martin had not even read his
book when he never claimed he had read anything other than certain
sections which he has commented on. Is there any point to argue with
him about his claims (which have no basis in fact to start with)? I
don't know if these posts have achieved anything other than to make
people wonder about Fetzer's ethics and to question his methodology of
"proof." There may also be some value in setting the record straight.
As to his system of proof described in the chapter titled, "Assassination
Science and the Language of Proof", I want to cite an example of the sheer
absurdity of the logic employed. In a section where he describes Jack
White's "compendium of Zapruder film anomalies" he also lists a guy
Jack mentions named Robert Morningstar, (who is so wacky in his theories
that even the Lancer Z-film panel seems to have excluded him from
participation). Fetzer, in his acceptance of all of this non-evidence
says that,
"If these observations of anomalies are well founded, then the film has
been subject to alteration. These observations of anomalies are well
founded. The film has been subject to alteration."
So, Fetzer claims that, in his opinion, the "observations" are well founded
and therefore concludes, (without any room for doubt), that the Z-film has
been tampered with. None of these "observations" are any more than
conjecture, theory, speculation or in many cases demonstrable falsehood.
And Fetzer's system of proof is so laughable that you wonder how he
had the nerve to present it at all. People have been asking me if I
think you he is an idiot. It is possible, and I am assuming that he will
say I accused him of this as being a certainty - because that is his
pattern of behavior, that he just might be pretending to be an idiot.
Why would I theorize he is acting as if he is dumb and crazy rather
than actually stating with certainty that he is a moronic kook?
I have to say that I have no definitive answer to that.
I could speculate that it is Fetzer who is the disinformation agent, but
then he would probably claim that I stated that I am sure he is, when
I have no idea why he's acting this way or what exactly motivates him. I'll
leave the accusations delivered without certainty of "proof" to Fetzer.
Fetzer states in reference to my own and dejanews' imagined attack on
Fetzer's "freedom of association, freedom of speech, and freedom of
publication" that,
"Something extremely dangerous is going no (sic) here, but it has
little to do with me or my Paragon publications."
Yes, something "dangerous" is going on here. Mr Fetzer has been accepted
in certain academic circles as an "expert". Mr. Fetzer has also been
welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. I don't know why,
but for the sake of his own credibility, (which is rather low, for other,
unrelated reasons), I am merely suggesting that he discontinue his
role as a paid representative of the Moonie agenda. He is not only
resisting this sensible step, but has resorted to his usual tactics
of attacking the messenger, distorting the record, misrepresenting
the intent of any who dare criticize him and continuing to argue
with absurdly wild and unfounded accusations that much more reasonable
and knowledgeable persons such as Martin Shackelford are "disinformation
agents" or "scum sucking pigs"?
Will Fetzer continue to attack with animalistic ferocity, any who commit
the unspeakable heresy of pointing out flaws in his reasoning? You can
bet on it. Will he continue to accept Moonie money? Probably. Am I
going to get flamed with great hostility by him and subjected to
malicious misinterpretations of the things I have said? I expect this.
Will he continue to assert that I am a representative of some anti-cult
faction when I am in fact a researcher who opposes bad work on the JFK
case which makes all of us look like candidates for the nuthouse? I
would guess so. Will he admit that dejanews could care less what I or
anyone else thinks of Uncle Fester and his assassination of science?
I doubt it, but anything is possible, including alteration of the
Z-film. It just remains that it is an extremely unlikely possibility,
and despite the ravings of Fetzer, it has not, by any means, been proven.
Fetzer's last post, which is confusingly merged with paragraphs
from my last post is reprinted below.
What follows is the usual conspiracy cult spam:
> The 13 Feb 1998 post from dxmivi@aol.com, which eventually cites as a
> source for its allegations about the Moonies "Robert Perry and the Con-
> sortium" but not the identity of "dxmivi", which I would like to know,
> represents classic smear tactics of guilt by association. The author
> has taken a part of a lengthy post that placed my involvement with Par-
> agon House in perspective and extensively edited it, even to the extent
> of cutting out the most important sentences found therein. The author
> also attacks Peter Coveney, who is an outstanding human being and some-
> one utterly underserving of these gross and immoral assaults. If any-
> one has been looking for a case study in propagandistic techniques, I
> offer a pure example from "Deja News". My comments are indented below.
>
> Jim
>
> Subject:
> Fetzer and Moonies
> Date:
> Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:01:19 -0600
> From:
> dxmivi@aol.com
> Organization:
> Deja News Posting Service
> Newsgroups:
> alt.conspiracy.jfk
>
> James Fetzer has supplied additional information about
> his association with the Moonies. He acknowledges
> that he knows that the publisher of several of his books,
> Paragon House, is owned by the Moonies. Jim Fetzer states:
>
> This paragraph puts a subtle twist on my response, which was open
> and chock-full of information about my publishing activities, in-
> cluding two more books for Paragon, ten for Kluwer Academic Pub-
> lishers (with an eleventh forthcoming), one for Rowman & Allanheld,
> two forthcoming from Oxford University Press, and of course the new
> book, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE, from Open Court. It also elaborates
> upon my editorial work, including co-editing SYNTHESE and editing
> MINDS AND MACHINES, as well as serving as the series editor of two
> book series, STUDIES IN COGNITIVE SYSTEMS and EXPLORATIONS IN PHIL-
> OSOPHY. (See my previous post, "Re: Professor Fetzer & Paragon
> House" 11 Feb 1998, for more information.) Considering how much
> more I have published with Kluwer, I would have thought that Deja
> News would want to investigate them! All of this information, how-
> ever, has been edited out by Deja News to create a false impression
> that my publishing revolves about Paragon House, which is not true.
>
> "With respect to Paragon House, I was initially contacted by two
respected
> philosophers, John Roth of Claremont Graduate School and Frederick Sontag
> of Pomona College, who were editing a series of textbooks for undergradu-
> ates, asking if I might be interested in authoring an introduction to the
> field of cognitive science. I liked the idea and soon found myself work-
> ing with an excellent in-house editor, Peter Coveney, now the Executive
> Editor of M.E. Sharpe, Inc., of Armonk, New York. When I discovered the
> house was owned by the Moonies, I had a lengthy talk with Peter, who as-
> sured me that the publishing house was independent of any editorial con-
> trol from the Moonies."
>
> George Bush has assured the world that The Washington Times is also
> independent from editorial control of the Moonies and Sun Myung Moon.
> As we shall see later in this post, this is obviously not the case.
> It seems that persons on this news group do not realize the significance
> of an association with a Moonie-owned propaganda organization. This is
not
> an exercise in character assassination and there is no intent to imply
> guilt by association in this message. Jim Fetzer may not realize what
> it means to be welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. If
> he does not, this may serve to enlighten him. If, on the other hand, he
> knows and does not care, then everyone should view his writings with
> suspicion, no matter what the subject matter may be.
>
> I am sure relieved to learn that "This is not an exercise in char-
> acter assassination and there is no intent to imply guilt by as-
> sociation in this message"! And what does Geoge Bush have to do
> with my books? "Jim Fetzer may not realize what it means to be
> welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors." Of course,
> I have also been welcomed into the stable of Kluwer-endorsed au-
> thors, of Rowman & Allanheld-endorsed authors, of Oxford Univer-
> sity Press-endorsed authors, and of Open Court-endorsed authors!
> So what exactly does that mean in any of these cases? I find it
> fascinating, moreover, that the quotation from my response to the
> original Deja News post EDITED OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT SENTENCES:
>
> "Many publishers and other media outlets are owned by corpora-
> tions with quite diverse interests, of course, and everyone in
> a situation like this must decide what to do for themselves. I
> stayed with Paragon and have now published five Paragon books."
>
> Here are some examples of the reasoning exemplified in this post:
> As I understand it, Dominos Pizza is owned by a family that is
> opposed to abortion and funds anti-abortion activities. Those
> who order Dominos Pizzas, therefore, must be (conscious or un-
> conscious) tools of the anti-abortion movement! NBC Television,
> as I understand it, is owned by General Electric, a corporation
> that has in the past managed to pay no (or practically no) cor-
> porate taxes for decades. Those who watch programs on NBC must
> therefore be (conscious or unconscious) tools of anti-government
> policies, since without tax revenues, there can be no government!
>
> Most corporations--related to publishing or not--have diverse in-
> terests, and each of us must decide what to do in each instance.
> Special interest (in this case, anti-Moonie) groups seem to have
> no scruples at all in their efforts to promote their message, even
> to the extent of advancing baseless smears of American citizens in
> the exercise of their rights (such as, in this instance, the right
> to freedom of speech and freedom of the press) when they are not in
> sufficient agreement with their own narrowly-defined point of view!
>
> Fetzer says he believed Mr. Coveney's assurances that Paragon House was
> "independent" of Moonie control. He may believe this, but it is not
> necessarily true, and just because he says he believes this, does not
> exclude the possibility that he knows that they are not independent.
There
> is also the possibility that Coveney was deliberately misleading Fetzer.
>
> This is a particularly offense example of the propagandistic smear.
> Peter Coveney is an outstanding human being whom I know very well.
> My experience is completely consistent with the his assurance that
> the house is NOT under Moonie EDITORIAL CONTROL. Certainly, in my
> experience--which has now extended over about ten years--there has
> been absolutely NO EFFORT by any member of the editorial staff to
> exert any improper influence of any kind! I have witnessed absolute-
> ly NO Moonie influence WHATSOEVER regarding any of the books that I
> have publisher or that others have published in the same book series.
>
> Let me illustrate how insideous is the line of reasoning that is be-
> ing used by dxmivi: Mother Teresa says that her work for the poor
> is intended to further their spiritual well-being. Mother Teresa
> may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
> Mother Teresa says she believes this does not exclude the possibil-
> ity that Mother Teresa knows that this is not the case. There is
> also the possibility that Mother Teresa is deliberately misleading
> everyone who receives her posts in order to promote her own agenda.
> This kind of argument can be used on almost anyone about anything.
>
> Fetzer also says that he believes that Paragon House is not profitable.
> He states:
>
> "Publishing is a mixed bag for the Moonies, as I understand it, however,
> since Paragon appears to lose money."
>
> I went on to say, "Our relations have been completely profession-
> al"! dxmivi could now repeat his argument of before by claiming,
> Fetzer may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just
> because Fetzer says he believes this does not exclude the possi-
> bility that Fetzer knows this is not the case. There is also the
> possibility that Fetzer is deliberately misleading everyone who
> may ever receive his posts in order to promote the Moonie agenda!
> (It must be useful to have all-purpose, off-the-shelf, smears!)
>
> It can, of course, also be turned on dxmivi. Consider: dxmivi
> says this is not an exercise in character assassination and there
> is no intent to imply guilt by association in this message. He
> may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
> dxmivi says he believes this does not exclude the possibility that
> he knows that this is untrue. There is also the possibility that
> dxmivi is deliberately misleading everyone who receives his posts.
>
> If Paragon House looses money, that does not mean that it isn't worth
> the loss, if it furthers the propaganda purposes of the Moonie cult.
> It also may be a useful write-off for the Moon organization, if it is
> a money looser. If it does make money, and Fetzer seems uncertain about
> this, it supports the cult and its "goals" with its financial gains.
>
> Great! If it makes money, then that's good for the Moonies, and
> if it loses money, then that's good for the Moonies, too! So no
> matter what the situation, it must be good for the Moonies! All
> I can say--and I am not the Paragon House accountant, so I cannot
> make assertions with certainty--is that my experience with Para-
> gon House suggests to me that Paragon is, in fact, a money loser.
>
> Let's look at the circumstances of the acquisition of Paragon House by
> the Moonies. The following excerpt was taken from:
> http://WWW.PWPA.ORG/Congress/1stcong.html
>
> Here followed an extremely long message about the Moonies that
> I have deleted insofar as it has nothing to do with me, except
> insofar as I am not conforming to the expressed wishes and de-
> sired of dxmivi and Deja News! They are attacking me because
> I am not doing what they want me to do! My freedom of associ-
> ation, freedom of speech, and freedom of publication are under
> assault! When they are done with me, they will come for you!
>
> Jim Fetzer has been selected to be part of the Moonie information
> machine. He may not know how evil Rev. Moon is. He may think that
> Paragon House is free from control, but that is not the case. Every
> author who is selected and invited to write for them is seen as an
> integral part of the Moonie agenda. I will not accuse Fetzer of
> deliberately and knowingly furthering that agenda, but, if he has any
> conscience, he will immediately disassociate himself from their efforts
> to "create a just and harmonious world order" (Moon's words).
>
> He should break away from Moon's "vision" that "included the creation
> of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers
> has become the center of this effort." (Quote from Moonie site).
>
> Our thanks to Robert Parry and the Consortium, where much of this
> material exposing the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Professors World Peace
> Academy, International Cultural Foundation and Paragon House was found.
> Visit them at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html
>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
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>
> Just think about it! I am a university professor with tenure
> who is paid to conduct teaching and research on the basis of
> my best scholarly abilities. If I were now to kowtow to the
> self-serving demands of dxmivi and Deja News, it would repre-
> sent the abdication of every principle of academic freedom
> for which higher education in the United States is supposed
> to stand. I cannot abide a narrow special interest group of
> this kind deliberately subjecting American citizens to slan-
> derous attacks for exercising their Constitutional freedoms
> and rights! Something extremely dangerous is going no here,
> but it has little to do with me or my Paragon publications.
>
> Jim
>
> James H. Fetzer
> McKnight Professor
> University of Minnesota
> Duluth, MN 55812
> jfetzer@d.umn.edu
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
WHATEVER.
Maybe it was a fluke a Moonie front published Fetzer's work, but we doubt it; since then he's used Open Court , who we hope will reconsider future trade from Fetzer the conspiracy cult clown conman.
----- Original Message -----
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Cuz if you can get 1 Jew in millions to admit it, it must be true.
Fetzer's Friend really is special.
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