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Chander Apr 6 2009, 06:26 PM
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I'm actually a little surprised that Killtown would make his bias so plain by suspending Shure and me for the crime of criticizing SocialService. My comment was quite mild, and yet I was suspended with no warning. Aren't there any posters over there who will stand up and defend our right to participate?
BTW Genghis I'm not Ace's wife. Where in the world did you get that idea? I'm a guy named Ben who lives in Seattle.
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I see that KT is on the Fetzer show today. I'm going to try and call in and get him to answer some questions.
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I'm sure there are readers of this forum who feel I was unfairly suspended over at Killtown's forum. I would like to issue an urgent request to all who feel that way to let Killtown and the other mods over know that my suspension was unfair and should be lifted. I believe if there is enough protest that they will be embarassed into letting me back in the debate.
I know this sounds trite but my only interest in this matter is to get at the truth about 9-11, and it is my contention that Simon Shack is leading us in the opposite direction with untrue claims of having proof that all the photographic evidence from 9-11 is fake. If he has proof I would accept it, but so far I haven't seen it and he refuses to debate with me as you may have noticed. This is not the way an honest researcher should act.
I'm sure most of you agree with me so really, I would appreciate some help over there to protest the clearly unfair way I've been censored. I believe I was censored because I was starting to have some impact counteracting the unreasoned and unquestioning faith that many over there were giving Simon's work.
If there are any who disagree with me for issuing this request, or for my manner of arguing with Simon, I would like to hear about that too. Thanks.
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Elephant-
Thanks for trying, and I like your avatar! :D
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I'm pretty sure they have deleted posts by the hard-hitting Shack critics, and even some of Shack's nastier and more revealing ones seem to be missing. Especially in the Verrazano Bridge Perspective thread.
So now they are even doctoring the historic record! :blink:
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Banned again !! Apparently for using the word "outlandish" to describe one of Simon's theories and using the word "gullible". It is now perfectly obvious that Killtown is only interested in defending Simon from tough questions, and has no interest whatsoever in open debate and research.
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"You do not have permission to view this board "
That's the message I get now when I go to KT's site. !!
This happened to me before, at LC and 911blogger, when I was shut down for being a no-planer and Judy Wood defender. I actually thought things would be different at movementforums. At first anyway.
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Thanks, Ishmael.
Is my post still up in the Suspended section with the quote from Fetzer, or has he taken that down?
On the nose-out. To be honest I have not followed that discussion very closely. Can you recap your position for me?
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Killtown says for me to call "someone" but doesn't say who or what the number is. He knows damn well I'm not Ace Baker. He could ask Jim Fetzer if he really wanted to know.
BTW, here's more of what Prof. Fetzer had to say about Simon's theories:
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Interestingly, you were the second person to
tip me off to this problem on the same day. The other fellow is from
Germany, so I suspect the thought is making its way around the globe.
The idea of discounting all the videos as fakes is about as ridiculous
as anything I have heard lately. It would completely compromise real
research, which is so dependent upon photographic footage, especially
of the destruction of the Twin Towers and of WTC-7. Anyone floating
an idea like this has to be given a second thought because it really
strikes at the heart of 9/11 research.
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I went round and round with him and his followers myself on the bridge.
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It took me a while to get it to tell the truth. I thought it was just a zoom effect at first, but it isn't. It's the zoom combined with different distance from camera to subject. The "Vertigo effect". Used by Hitchc*** in his movie. Simon tried to laugh it off saying something dumb about Hitchc*** filming from helicopter on 9/11.
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KT apparently figures that he'd rather expose himself as a censor and hypocrite than allow me to continue to pose tough questions to Simon over there.
At least now a few more people are aware that KT and Simon are up to no good - especially Prof. Fetzer who, incidentally, is a real stand-up guy. He wrote to KT defending my right to stay in the debate on his site. KT won't answer me but he might answer Fetzer.
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No, DDuck, I was suspended first for so-called "insults and slander against a member's theory". Later he tacked on the "sock puppet" charge. He knows very well I am not Ace Baker. If you have any doubt about this yourself you can ask Prof. Fetzer. He has met both Ace Baker and me.
I can't figure out why KT is willing to go to such lengths to defend Simon's absurd theory. Does KT honestly believe Simon's nonsense? Are they both colluding in a plot to make no-planers look like idiots? Or is there some other explanation?
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If anyone has evidence that they've been Purged/Suspended/Banned for reasons not consistent with the rules at 911m forum, please post that evidence here.
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I offered to provide the evidence to the charge of being a sock puppet in exactly the manner you yourself suggested: by means of a phone call. But you have not given me the name or the number of the person who I should talk to.
The other charge - of "insult to a member's theory" is such a broad term as to be meaningless. Apparently it is being interpreted to mean any remark critical of another's theory. If my use of the mild term "outlandish" is a violation then almost any critical remark would also be a violation. But If my suspension is lifted I will be glad to refrain from further use of this term. However I hope you will hold others to the same standard.
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KilltownApr 16 2009, 10:39 AM
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If anyone has evidence that they've been Purged/Suspended/Banned for reasons not consistent with the rules at 911m forum, please post that evidence here.
What rule violation are you citing to justify disabling my ability to even view the site?
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I offered to provide the evidence to the charge of being a sock puppet in exactly the manner you yourself suggested: by means of a phone call. But you have not given me the name or the number of the person who I should talk to.
How about a Skype conference call? We could have Shure host it. Maybe we can summons the late Ace Baker from the Heavens to join us.
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If anyone has evidence that they've been Purged/Suspended/Banned for reasons not consistent with the rules at 911m forum, please post that evidence here.
What rule violation are you citing to justify disabling my ability to even view the site?
You don't have to log in to view the site. It's public.
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Killtown sez
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You don't have to log in to view the site. It's public.
Then howcum when I go to yr site it says: "This menu has been disabled." and "You do not have permission to view this board."
As for the skype call - you tell me what number to call and I'll be there.
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Then howcum when I go to yr site it says: "This menu has been disabled." and "You do not have permission to view this board."
As for the skype call - you tell me what number to call and I'll be there.
You have to log out.
You have to tell us what your Skype handle is. There's no numbers with Skype.
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Chander.. I still think that you're Ace
You know he insists he's not just like you insist you're not "Natasha."
Of course Chander is the only person who thinks he's not Ace.
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I've never used skype. I'll open an account or whatever, but can't do it now. You tell me where and when. Or you could just ask Dr. Fetzer if I am Ace Baker. He knows us both.
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I've never used skype. I'll open an account or whatever, but can't do it now.
Well let us know when you do.
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Killtown-
If you insist on skype I will go buy a headset tomorrow. But I think you are raising an unneccessary requirement since I know we have a mutual friend (initial T.), in Portland, who has already told you my identity. And it's not Ace Baker.
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Killtown-
If you insist on skype I will go buy a headset tomorrow. But I think you are raising an unneccessary requirement since I know we have a mutual friend (initial T.), in Portland, who has already told you my identity. And it's not Ace Baker.
Doesn't ring a bell, but if you're not Ace, I'm sure I'm not going to be the only person surprised that you're not around here.
Btw, do you think Ace has any credibility left?
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OK, I got my headset on. Downloaded Skype. Name is ChanderChuff. Let's rock 'n roll.
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Until I see evidence to the contrary my assumption is "yes".
Now what about that phone call? Where's KT all of a sudden?
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I'm all set for that conference call and suddenly Killtown is nowhere to be found.
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maybe he's eating his dinner and then cooking it again afterwards.
:P
What do you know about Markus, who thinks most everybody - except a 16 yr old poster friend of his - is a fake, and that Killtown is a guy named Stu Nurwick who works at Viacom?
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He claims to have an expert friend who told him there is software that can tell if a photo has been photoshopped and that the photos of jumpers are all fake.
Have you ever heard of such software? I am skeptical, but if there is such software it could be used to debunk Simon's nonsense once and for all.
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OK Chander, summons Ace Baker from the dead to join us and let's do this conference! You want to participate Shure?
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killtown-
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1) So why not speak up and tell Simon Shack he is WRONG
2) instead of banning anyone that tries to put him in his place????
1) Cause I'm not a gatekeeper. Should I be one? Plus I haven't looked into it enough because it doesn't peak my interest enough and it's difficult for me to decipher whether it's true or not. I have told him he should play it safe and be more conservative with his research.
1a) Btw, do you think I agree with everything in SC?
2) Let me correct that for you:
"instead of banning anyone that tries to insult or slander him????"
Did I read that right? Did KT actually concede that he doesn't know whether or not Simon's theories are true? And that they don't "peak [sic] my interest enough"?
Then why in hell is he so determined to silence anyone who also questions Simon's theories? And just when Simon was boasting that he was almost ready to declare "mission accomplished." Who assigned you that mission, Simon? I'd love to see the memo where the mission was outlined.
What kind of hold does Simon have over KT? Is it the threat of taking his "Q and A with Socialservice" somewhere else?
BTW, I was not banned for "...tr[ying] to insult or slander him," but for the laughable charge of insulting his theories. How do you insult a theory? Did I hurt the theory's feelings?
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Killtown, where are you. Let's do this phone call NOW...and get it settled that your accusation that I am a sock is false.
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Killtown, where are you. Let's do this phone call NOW...and get it settled that your accusation that I am a sock is false.
Did you summons the spirit of the late Ace Baker to join?
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No I didn't summon Ace. Are you now making that an additional requirement? You indicated before that you would be able to tell from my voice that I am not Ace. Is that no longer the case?
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Hulloooo? Anybody home?
Howcum whenever I ask you to do this call all I hear is the sound of the screen door banging against the side of the house and tumbleweeds blowing across the landscape?
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I see Killtown just signed out. I guess he had to go heat his supper again.
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Chander, do you have any reservations having the late Ace Baker join our skype call? I mean you two would be able to talk at the very same time, right?
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Chander, do you have any reservations having the late Ace Baker join our skype call? I mean you two would be able to talk at the very same time, right?
No, I have no reservations at all about having Ace Baker join our skype call.
Now quit reaching for excuses to delay and make the call?
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Chander, do you have any reservations having the late Ace Baker join our skype call? I mean you two would be able to talk at the very same time, right?
No, I have no reservations at all about having Ace Baker join our skype call.
Now quit reaching for excuses to delay and make the call?
OK cool.
Well let me know what time would be good for you two.
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You pick the time, I'll be here.
I can't speak for Ace and have no idea of his availability.
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You pick the time, I'll be here.
I can't speak for Ace and have no idea of his availability.
Well why don't you email him? Or can he get email from Heaven?
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Why don't you? You're the one who wants to talk to him.
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Why don't you? You're the one who wants to talk to him.
I don't email the dead.
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Well then just call me.
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Where's Wald...I mean Killtown?
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Where's Wald...I mean Killtown?
well, he will join later.
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OK, call then. What're you waiting on?
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OK, call then. What're you waiting on?
Whats your skype ID
D.Duck
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I told you already: chanderchuff.
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What's yours? And how much more of my time are you gonna waste?
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I told you already: chanderchuff.
Well, you have to accept me, OK
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Chander, D.Duck, and I talked via skype phone. Chander's obviously not Ace Baker, so glad we cleared that up.
Hopefully some of the other people here will be brave like Chander and join a skype call.
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At least I finally got KT to concede that I and Ace Baker are different people. So I'm admitted back on to movement forum. I don't know how long that will last. The rest of our conversation was inconclusive.
Our discussion about what does and what does not constitute "slander" or "insult" - and therefore a violation of his rules - went around in circles. apparently it is ok to call a theory "wrong", but not "outlandish". It is not ok to call someone a troll - except in the case when Simon
called me by that name it is excused because Simon is just striking back after being attacked first. That makes it ok according to KT.
He and Duck also seem intent on getting me to post about almost anything except my criticisms of Simon's theory.
I'll see how it goes. :blink:
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Apr 21 2009, 01:17 PM
At least I finally got KT to concede that I and Ace Baker are different people. So I'm admitted back on to movement forum. I don't know how long that will last. The rest of our conversation was inconclusive.
Our discussion about what does and what does not constitute "slander" or "insult" - and therefore a violation of his rules - went around in circles. apparently it is ok to call a theory "wrong", but not "outlandish". It is not ok to call someone a troll - except in the case when Simon
called me by that name it is excused because Simon is just striking back after being attacked first. That makes it ok according to KT.
He and Duck also seem intent on getting me to post about almost anything except my criticisms of Simon's theory.
I'll see how it goes. :blink:
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Chander, I actually have to agree with Ace Faker's assessment of you.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=336263&t=1474657
Chander Apr 22 2009, 05:53 PM
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The bastard zapped me again! On my first post!
For merely putting in a comment lauding a brilliant critique of Simon's nonsense by the poster "anotherangle".
A theory with anything to it should be defensible. The way they duck, evade and silence any critical questions... They are as good as admitting that they know their theory is bogus.
CARMEN THREAD
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=351267&t=3510638
Chander May 6 2009, 02:50 PM
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Here's a timeline for you, KT: Answer my question.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=351270&t=3510638
Killtown May 6 2009, 02:53 PM
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Great. First Genghis stalks me, then Kahl stalks me, now Chander is stalking me. This forum a full of stalkers.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=351273&t=3510638
Chander May 6 2009, 02:56 PM
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Not stalking, just asking a question - and I am entitled to an answer.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=351357&t=3510638
Chander May 6 2009, 04:15 PM
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email from Prof.Jim Fetzer to Killtown:
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KT,
What's the deal? Ben tells me that Simon is arguing that all of the
footage from 9/11, including the destruction of the Twin Towers, was
faked! I find that rather difficult to believe. In this case, there
WERE thousands of cameras focused on the buildings and the manner in
which they were taken out was widely broadcast--world wide, actually!
It's your forum, but it strikes me as very odd that Ben is being cut
out of the discussion. I would appreciate it if you would reinstate
him. In particular, I think Simon's argument is farfetched and ought
to be opposed. Are you endorsing this one? I would like to know more
about what's going on. I'm having a hard time with all this. Thanks!
Warm regards,
Jim
Protip: when trying to scam people, don't accidentally forward correspondence to outside parties.
