Friday, March 30, 2012

My Portland Truth Alliance experience

Posted as a comment by Forrest at Portland indymedia. Valuable first person insight into how the group scam works:


My Portland Truth Alliance experience 05.Feb.2012 14:39

Forrest

Hope this isn't too long for Indymedia comments

Hi. I can tell people for a fact this so called Portland Truth group is running some kind of scam.


I was a liberal frustrated that Bush's story about 911 didn't add up and he was trying to stop an investigation. And it was being used as an excuse for military action. The truther groups had a point, but they seemed to be pushing stupid ideas and full of Alex Jones crazy people. I figured I'd try to get involved anyway and when I moved to Portland in 2008 tried contacting the Portland Truth Alliance.


They were friendly at first but cared more about telling me to "watch out" for some people than what street actions they were planning. Some of the things they said:


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Hello Forrest,

Thanks for writing. You may want to check out this information:


"We formed the September 11 Affinity Group in order to:

- help the radical and liberal sections of the Left to see that 9/11 Truth is a key element for successful campaigns, especially for those engaged in the Peace and Justice movement;
and,
- to participate within the 9/11 Truth movement in ways that allow us to confront, expose, oppose and hopefully neutralize Right-wing influences such as racism, sexism, homophobia, and their "evil sisters": applications that take the form of Jew-hating, Zionism, anti-Islam Crusade mongering, gay-bashing, male supremacy.

There's a bit about the September 11 Affinity Group here:

http://www.rethink911.org/

and here:
http://portland-or.net/911truth/

(Our pages are in the evolving stage)

Our email group archives are here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911truthportland/messages


"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/niemoeller.html



Petros

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Question; I emailed this other guy called Petros. He was saying all kinds of stuff like I had to worry about homophobia and stuff. Know what thats all about?

Yeah, try to see if I can swing the meetings. You guys do any research? I'm into the CIT stuff; I think they're on to something with the fly over.


Thanks

Forrest
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Petros is an left wing PC intolerant jerk. Most likely he is getting paid by the government to disrupt our effort. It is so obvious that it is almost comical.

Tim

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Whoops. Did I make a mistake siging up with his yahoo group? I thought it was the same group. He seems nice enough. We had some problems in the Bay too. Can make ya alittle paranoid and stuff.

BTW don't think I can make that meeting tonight unless being late is ok. Gotta job search on and stuff.


Forrest

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Petros took over the yahoo group we had. I do not know why but someone gave him the password and Petros starting censoring. The yahoo group is pretty much dead.

Tim

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so I unsubbed from Petros' group and he asked me why. That's when it got really strange:


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Yeah,

sorry, but I emailed lots of people from the list I got and one of them
said this isn't the real Portland 911 group and you hacked the list or
something.

Just got a job and I don't need drama and shit.


Forrest

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Hi Forrest,

Thanks for writing again.


There's plenty of information online and elsewhere about who I am and what I do. I'm sure you can piece it all together like any mature grown up.


You can look me up here if you like:

http://tinyurl.com/665kyx

or
link to www.google.com


Do you think I need the drama?

At least you could have had the decency to let me know that you're involved in other games and not taken up my time. Did I bother you or offend you in any way? No.

I have been totally open, available, and transparent to you. But you took my politeness and my eagerness to serve you as a licence to insult me.


Please reconsider. I prefer to have friends than enemies. But when you insult me for no reason, what must I do?


Please reconsider your stance toward me.

Thank you,
Petros
http://petros-evdokas.cyprus-org.net/Another-sort-of-Introduction.html


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Re: Fw: Petros is a total psycho dude!!!
forrest
Sorry meant to cc this got rushed. Really, watch out for this prick. See others like him.

Forrest


Forrest wrote:

> Sorry meant to cc this got rushed. Really, watch out for this prick.
> See others like him.
>
> Forrest
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/9/08, Forrest wrote:
>
> From: Forrest
> Subject: Fw: Petros is a total psycho dude!!!
> To: craig_pdx
>
>
> All I did was unsubscribe and he's talking about making enemies
> and shit!!!

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Re: Fw: Petros is a total psycho dude!!!
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
From:
"Ginny Ross"

To:

forrest
Cc:
oregontt, "warren pease"

You got that right... GR


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Re: Fw: Petros is a total psycho dude!!!

From:

"oregontt"

To:

Forrest
Petros is beyond psycho. Most likely he is being paid to disrupt.

Tim

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If Petros "took over the Yahoo group" and is "being paid to disrupt", WHY THE FUCK IS TIM STILL ON PETROS' LIST?


Images: props to Antifa

link to 1.bp.blogspot.com


Those email exchanges with the Portland Alliance were all the same week. But in 2011 Tim was still posting on the list after saying Petros stole it? (a search of oregontt confirms it's the same Tim) As Antifa discovered Petros was always a mod

link to 1.bp.blogspot.com

from
http://fansofantifa.blogspot.com/

The Portland 911 Truth(?) Alliance is a bunch of lying bullshitters. Luckily I had to work the night they had their film thing and it was easy to make meetings. By the time it was the David Irving stuff came out that Tim Titrud was involved with. Which probably means Petros is involved too. They seem to have a close connection.


Whatever questions there were about 911 have been drowned out by crazies. But in the Portland Truth Alliance's case, there's something more than craziness. These people went out of their way to LIE about not being one group. Something always felt weird probably another reason I never tried to contact them again. Reading these comments recently confirmed it

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2011/09/410125.shtml?discuss#390178
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2011/09/410125.shtml?discuss#390198


Anyone else have freaky close encounters with this group? FFS stay away from these people. They're running a scam. Someone should investigate.


Forrest
Another post with correction:


Correction to my post "My Portland Truth Alliance experience" 12.Feb.2012 11:10
Forrest

I wrote:
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If Petros "took over the Yahoo group" and is "being paid to disrupt", WHY THE FUCK IS TIM STILL ON PETROS' LIST?


Images: props to Antifa

link to 1.bp.blogspot.com

Those email exchanges with the Portland Alliance were all the same week. But in 2011 Tim was still posting on the list after saying Petros stole it? (a search of oregontt confirms it's the same Tim) As Antifa discovered Petros was always a mod

link to 1.bp.blogspot.com

from
http://fansofantifa.blogspot.com/

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The second link...proving Petros Evdokas and Tim Titrud are using the same email list years after telling people they think each other are agents or something... should be:

link to 3.bp.blogspot.com


Avoid this supposed "truth" group. Obviously they are lying to their members and the public about their associations and goals.


Protip: When scamming people, don't use the local indymedia website as a group promotional outlet.