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Saturday, June 30, 2012

SCAM: Yet another BOMB THREAT OMG BOMB THREAT

June must be conspiracy cult Bomb Threat Month. The "threat" was during the event around June 15-17, but Blakenley is just sharing it with everyone now.

This time it's Evdokas spreading the tinfoil:

Fwd: Vancouver Hearings, Bomb Threats and Likudniks: Latest Videos f

Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:05 am
Petros Evdokas <petros@...>
ttetpos
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Vancouver Hearings, Bomb Threats and Likudniks: Latest Videos
from Joshua Blakeney
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012
From: Josh Blakeney <josh.vivelarevolucion@...>

Dear Friends and Comrades,

*The 9/11 Vancouver Hearings took place on June 15-17th. The events went
very well but unfortunately there was a bomb threat:*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWzp49ZG2U

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/28/248438/is-us-secretly-liquidating-dissid\ents/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/28/disable-the-purveyors-is-the-us-secretly\-liquidating-dissidents/

*I presented an essay entitled "The Likudnik Origins of the Global War
on Terror": *

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yRzNclq5I

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veT7JQBgRMw

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9qTNYPCSps

*Also, here is my recent Press TV interview on the Quebec students'
struggle:* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIVvc7COTp0

Sincerely,

Joshua Blakeney

Who is Joshua Blakeney? Another brainwashed conspiracy faggot. According to Evdokas a swell guy:

Fwd: Huffington Post Attacks Joshua Blakeney and Press TV

You might be familiar with 9/11 Truth scholar and anti-zionist activist
Josh Blakeney. He was recently attacked in the Huffington Post with a
piece of "journalism" that is so twisted and insidious, it made me
really upset.

If you have the patience to read it, please study the links in it, which
you might see even point to materials whose meaning is the exact
OPPOSITE of what is claimed in the article. It is a masterpiece of lies
and propaganda, and full of racist hate speech.

And, as Josh correctly points out, the author even relies on a
self-confessed Mossad agent named Michael Ross to make his case. If
you'd like to see more about the connections between him and Israel's
intelligence, please see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Ross_(Mossad_officer)&oldid=49\
2966910

You might want to watch a three minute video report by Josh Blakeney
about the demonization of Muslims and people of Middle Eastern origins,
here:
"Orwellian 'Hate Speech' laws applied inconsistently in Canada"
http://www.presstv.com/detail/238394.html

Please support Josh through this defamatory attack.
Petros

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Huffington Post Attacks Joshua Blakeney and Press TV
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012
From: Josh Blakeney <josh.vivelarevolucion@...

Dear Friends and Comrades,

A journalist from the pro-Israel entity "Honest Reporting Canada" has
penned a hit piece about me in the Huffington Post.

I like the way that he was so scarce of evidence to demonstrate that I
was a terrible anti-semite that he invoked the fact that I had issued my
condolences to the widow and baby of an Iranian professor assassinated
by the usual suspects, as if that is something to be ashamed of.

Moreover the individual Michael Ross, who is cited as an authority, is a
former Mossad agent who writes for the National Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mike-fegelman/press-tv-canada_b_1526163.html?ref=tw

That's "honest reporting" for you!

Sincerely,

Joshua Blakeney

The article Blakeney links to reads in part:

Some Canadians may be surprised to learn that Iran's state-controlled broadcaster, Press TV, has been operating in Canadian cities like Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and Ottawa for some years now, featuring "news reports" and "reporters" who disseminate radical propaganda and spew anti-Semitic tropes. Without a license from the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), these Press TV journalists presumably write articles hosted on Press TV's website, and file broadcast reports which are uploaded to its YouTube page, and then appended to the related news article.
One Press TV correspondent based in Calgary, Josh Blakeney, is a dedicated 9/11 conspiracy theorist who believes that "9/11 was primarily a Mossad operation." Blakeney also doubles as a staff writer for Veterans Today, which Canadian author Michael Ross described as a "dubious Holocaust-denying journal" which features commentary claiming that "the holy gas chamber is fake."

Mmmm...sounds like the conspiratards we love to mock. But there's more:

As to Blakeney's objectivity, he has no problem shilling for the Islamic Republic by saying that Iran is simply "expressing self determination and trying to develop a civilian and peaceful nuclear program." He unabashedly sent out his "condolences" to the family of an assassinated Iranian nuclear scientist and has reported that the "Zionist tail (is) wagging the American dog... AIPAC and the Israel lobby pretty much dictate Middle East policy..."
In April, Blakeney produced an on-the-street "report" from Calgary claiming that the Canadian government was supporting terrorist groups in Syria. As to Israel, Blakeney claims the Jewish state commits "genocide." This from a reporter who described Mohamed Elmasry as a "prestigious" scholar, a man who in 2004 notoriously proclaimed that any Israeli Jew over the age of 18 was a legitimate target for terror because they are "not innocent."
Just two weeks ago, Blakeney interviewed Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson in a media scrum on the topic of Canada's hate speech laws. Hanson was likely unfamiliar with the background of this reporter and the lack of bonafides of this news organization. Blakeney subsequently included Hanson's comment in a report which claimed that Israel was a "criminal state" and that Canada had "Orwellian 'hate speech' laws" that have only been useful when "pro-Israel lobbyists" get involved.

Apart from Fegelman's bizarre objections to Blakeney sending condolences to murdered guy's family, his portrait of Blakeney is not surprising. Something weird jumps out though: Fegelman published this article May 22nd:

Mike Fegelman

Executive Director, HonestReporting Canada

Meet Press TV: Iran's Hateful Mouthpiece in Canada Posted: 05/22/2012 7:40 am

Blakeney's butthurt email is dated: Fri, 18 May 2012
Evdokas' forward dated: Sat May 19, 2012 1:31 pm

There's no indication by Fegelman that he posted it earlier, then had to republish.

So how did Blakeney know 3-4 days in advance about the article and the URL the article would appear? Shades of Waldron's "beforeitsnews" URL leak. Or maybe the website's clock is REALLY screwed up.

Something else weird:

Blakeney's email about the BOMB THREAT OMG is dated: Fri, 29 June 2012
Evdokas' forwarded: Sat June 30, 2012 8:05 am
Presumed time of threat: same date as Vancouver hearings... June 15-17th

Why did Blakeney wait two weeks before telling everyone? This lol "bomb threat" was only a couple days after the other OMG BOMB THREAT on June 13, meaning it was probably the same person.

Our guess: they waited to protect the samefag who did it.

But one scam at a time!

Blackeney's talks about his bomb threat with much outrage here:

Bomb Threat At 9/11 Vancouver Hearings!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWzp49ZG2U

Published on Jun 27, 2012 by NonAlignedMedia

A letter was sent to the owner of the Denman Theatre in Vancouver threatening to bomb the building to punish him for allowing a 9/11 Truth conference to take place there. The letter is deconstructed by Joshua Blakeney, co-organizer of the Vancouver Hearings, in this video.

A bomb threat is not a "punishment". Bomb threats are intimidation. Bombing is punishment. Blakeney drones on for 3 mins waving the threat at viewers:

Wait. It that HAND WRITTEN? AGAIN? ARE THEY KIDDING And Blakeney co-organized with Fetzer, who also had a HAND WRITTEN threat? > See previous bomb threat scam HERE

WHAT ARE THE ODDS TWO EVENTS WOULD HAVE THE SAME COMPUTER ADVERSE "BOMBER" ? The "bomber" is the samefag for both events!

The "threat" as far as can be read from video still:

Inspired? Or "Doing it Wrong"?

The attack can be a Bomb or Fire Bomb
at a later date to pay you back for
supporting the 9/11 truth movement.
Kill Jim Fetzer and the 9/11 truthers!
Kill Kevin Barrett and every muslim!

Kill Jim Fetzer Kill Kevin Barrett
Kill Jim Fetzer Kill Kevin Barrett
Kill Denman Theatre

This reads like something written by "Emily Post's Etiquette for Terrorists". And what's with the loopy handwriting? Was this written by a girl? How can they "kill" a theatre? Notice the spelling: theatre, not theater. This isn't part of Denman's name.

Denman is listed as a "cinema":

http://www.cinemaclock.com/theatres/bri/Vancouver/Denman_Cinemas.html

Denman Cinemas
1779 Comox St., Vancouver
(604) 558-3456

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre

Theatre (in American English usually theater^[1]) is a collaborative form of fine art that uses live performers to present the experience of a real or imagined event before a live audience in a specific place.

Whoever wrote the "threat" spells theater > "theatre". Probably not one of the American twoofers...

And the "late date" clause enables the group and it's network to milk sympathy from dupes for months to come....

Back in reality no one cares enough about the "truth movement" to bomb it.

Argue with it, sure.
Laugh at it, defiantly.
But bomb it? Why?

Why make them martyrs? This seems to be the goal of the scam reading between the lines of this article at PressTV by Jew Toaster Barrett( Also linked at Facebook by Alfred Webre HERE)

Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:20PM

By Kevin Barrett

There are worse places to be a dissident than the USA.

In many countries, people who cross the line in opposing the government risk incarceration, torture, or murder.

Until recently, it was hard for American dissidents to cross that line. If they wanted to get arrested for saying something subversive, mere ideas weren't enough; they would have to actually threaten to physically harm the President or another high official.

But the post-9/11 USA is no longer a beacon of human rights. As former President Jimmy Carter recently wrote in the New York Times, “The United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights.” In his article, Carter points out that top US officials are now openly targeting US citizens for political assassination, “disappearance,” unlimited surveillance, and other forms of gross human rights abuse.

Since we now know that a secret National Security committee is ordering the murder of American citizens, and since we know the CIA has the power to easily simulate deaths from illness and accident, we might as well assume that every time a dissident dies unexpectedly, he or she has been murdered by the US government.

Consider the chilling words of Obama's information czar Cass Sunstein, who openly advocates that the US government should “disable the purveyors of conspiracy theories.” Sunstein's article “Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures” argues that “conspiracy theories” (by which he means the 9/11 truth movement) are so dangerous that the government should “cognitively infiltrate” 9/11 truth groups, “disable” those who spread these ideas, and possibly even make the ideas illegal.

One way to “disable the purveyors of conspiracy theories” is to terrorize them with death threats. This is precisely what happened recently in Seattle, Washington and Vancouver, British Columbia.

On June 13, Dr. James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, was scheduled to speak at the University Heights Community Center in Seattle. Shortly before the event, the Community Center received a letter that read:

“Community Center, the 9/11 truth event on June 13th is going to be attacked to Kill Jim Fetzer because he says 'Space Beams' brought down the Twin Towers. The attack may be a bomb or fire bomb or maybe just gun fire. The Bombing may come at a future date to pay you back for supporting the 9/11 truth movement. Kill Jim Fetzer and the 9/11 truth movement. Kill Jim Fetzer (repeated 6 times). Kill University Heights Community Center (repeated twice) Kill you now.”

Detective Kerry Hays of the Seattle Police Department is currently investigating the case.

The Community Center hastily canceled Dr. Fetzer's talk. Fortunately, an alternate venue was found at the last minute.

Then a few days later, a similar death threat was emailed to the owner of the Denman Theater in Vancouver, British Columbia, where Dr. Fetzer was organizing the Vancouver 9/11 Hearings. This time, the threat named me and Press TV Canadian correspondent Joshua Blakeney as well as Dr. Fetzer. Fortunately, the theater owner was too busy hosting the event to read his email, so he did not become aware of the threat until the Hearings were over.

Wait. The threats...both of them..were HAND WRITTEN. That's the nature of their lulz. Whatever Blakeney is reading isn't what Barrett is describing. But Barrett is describing the previous letter followed the same pattern:

>Kill Jim Fetzer and the 9/11 truth movement. Kill Jim Fetzer (repeated 6 times). Kill University Heights Community Center (repeated twice)

> Kill Jim Fetzer Kill Kevin Barrett
Kill Jim Fetzer Kill Kevin Barrett
Kill Denman Theatre

Same pattern, samefag. It's an INSIDE JOB, lol.

Now thank Holocaust denying Jew Toaster Barrett for telling everyone how to contact the cop on the case.

So much fail, so little time....

Wednesday, June 13, 2012

SCAM: Bomb Threat Makes 9/11 Truth Activist Cancel Speech

Funny how that happens.

Group associate Jim Fetzer scheduled a speech hosted by the Seattle WACjobs in June:

This event was thwarted by those nefarious New World Order thugs:

Seattle '9/11 Truth' event relocated due to terrorist threat

Emilie Rensink

Seattle Political Buzz Examiner

In an ironic turn of events, a Scholars for 9/11 Truth presentation had to be relocated to a new venue after the speaker and founder of the organization, Dr. James Fetzer, received terror threats.
The presentation was to occur at 7:00 pm this evening at the University Heights Community Center. However, when UHCC received a letter containing numerous threats to "kill" Dr. Fetzer and to "firebomb" the school facilities, the event was cancelled.
According to a Meetup email message from We Are Change Seattle, the decision to cancel was made collaboratively between UHCC and 9/11 Truth Seattle, as they did not want to risk the lives of any students who may be in the facilities.
The organizers of the event scrambled to find a new location and succeeded at the last minute. The event is now scheduled to occur at 7:00 tonight at University Temple United Methodist Church in Seattle.
Dr. Fetzer does not appear to be perturbed by the threats and was willing to continue the event even at the original location.
The We Are Change Seattle Meetup message concluded:

This is a sad day for freedom of speech and assembly in Seattle, but we do not intend to let it deter us. If anything, our efforts must be redoubled.
As the saying goes, the show must go on.
UPDATE: The event safely concluded on Wednesday night without any further reports of terrorist threats. The handwritten note has been turned over to the FBI for further investigation.

Hmmmm. This sounds like Titrud's bawl about Antifa where he was supposedly sent a threat in Norse runes(!) that was decoded by a close friend who in no way was the one who sent the card.

From the WACjobs Seattle meetup announcement:

EVENT CANCELLED - Terrorist Threat against Dr Fetzer and UHCC

Wednesday, June 13, 2012

7:00 PM

Selected By: Mark Snyder

University Heights Community Center

5031 University Way NE, Seattle, WA (map)

Selected By: Mark Snyder

Dr Fetzer's June 13th Presentation CANCELLED

Terrorist's Threat Against Speaker and Landmark Seattle School Building Cancels Presentation in Seattle

Seattle, June 12, 2012. This morning the University Heights Community Center (UHCC) received a letter containing an explicit death threat against Dr. James Fetzer, as well as a threat to firebomb the landmark University Heights school building where his talk was scheduled for tomorrow evening, June 13, at 7:00pm. The handwritten letter was handed over to the Seattle Police who in turn gave it to the FBI as evidence of a terrorist threat.

The UHCC, concerned about the threat of fire to the children who would be in another part of the building, as well as to the landmark wooden structure, made the decision to activate a clause in our rental agreement requiring onerous security and insurance steps to be taken. These events made it necessary to cancel the event.

We (the organizers), and especially Dr. Fetzer, wanted to go ahead with the event, but it simply wasn't possible. This decision has been agreed to by all parties (the UHCC and 9/11 Truth Seattle), so we ask that our supporters NOT direct angry messages at the UHCC, since this was a direct threat against the UHCC, it's occupants, and Dr. Fetzer himself.

This is a sad day for freedom of speech and assembly in Seattle,but we do not intend to let it deter us. If anything, our efforts must be redoubled.

If anyone knows of a venue where we might move this event, for Wednesday evening (June 13, 2012), please let us know by email at [masked]. If we are able to find another place on such short notice, the information will be posted here on this website.

And spammed on Facebook by Cubby Lee, who's profile is now MIA:

Cubby Leeposted toKim Kardashian

43 minutes ago

Dr Fetzer's June 13th Presentation CANCELLED

Terrorist's Threat Against Speaker and Landmark Seattle School Building Cancels Presentation in Seattle

Seattle, June 12, 2012. This morning the University Heights Community Center (UHCC) received a letter containing an explicit death threat against Dr. Fetzer, as well as a threat to firebomb the University Heights school building where his talk was scheduled for tomorrow, June 13th. The handwritten letter was handed over to the Seattle Police who in turn gave it to the FBI as evidence of a terrorist threat.

The UHCC, concerned about the threat of fire to the children who would be in another part of the building, as well as to the landmark wooden structure, made the decision to activate a clause in our rental agreement requiring onerous security and insurance steps to be taken. These events made it necessary to cancel the event.

We, and especially Dr. Fetzer, wanted to go ahead with the event, but it simply wasn't possible. This decision has been agreed to by all parties (the UHCC and 9/11 Truth Seattle), so we ask that our supporters NOT direct angry messages at the Center.

This is a sad day for freedom of speech and assembly in Seattle, but we do not intend to let it deter us. If anything, our efforts must be redoubled.

If anyone knows of a venue where we might move this event, for Wednesday evening (June 13), please let us know by email at 911truthseattle@gmail.com. If we are able to find another place on such short notice, the information will be posted here on this website.

Mark

Assistant Organizer

+1 guest

I'm glad Dr Fetzer could still be heard, despite the bogus false flag threat. But I think more people would have been there, despite the venue change, if the doors to the chapel had not been locked and someone had been at least manning the door to let people in. Some of us had to find our way to a difficult to find balcony entrance to get inside. Dr. Fetzer has his information well refined so he gets out key points in short order, allowing us to make note of new information, and answers questions later.

LOL Funny stuff! They've uncovered the conspiracy of the century, but can't find the door!

What's Mark saying here>> "despite the bogus false flag threat."? Did Mark slip and ADMIT it was a scam? If you follow the tinfoil, a "false flag" is when a group attacks themselves but pretends the were attacked by someone else.

It might explain why, when they moved the event down the street, no one seemed bothered the "bomber" might find them:

Strange Happenings in Seattle

Started by Len Colby, Jun 22 2012 07:08 PM

Posted 22 June 2012 - 07:08 PM
Truthers frequently claim that Bush staying at the Emma Booker Elementary School in Sarasota FL after the 2^nd crash on 9/11 was suspicious if not a ‘smoking gun’. Obviously he and his entourage knew what was going on or they would have quickly removed him from the building. Not doing so not put their lives as well as those of the staff and students at risk.

Odd then that a Truther event in Seattle was moved a few blocks away but not cancelled after supposedly receiving a threat that it and one of its participants would be the targets of a terrorist attack.

In an ironic turn of events, a Scholars for 9/11 Truth presentation had to be relocated to a new venue after the speaker and founder of the organization, Dr. James Fetzer, received terror threats.

The presentation was to occur at 7:00 pm this evening at the University Heights Community Center. However, when UHCC received a letter containing numerous threats to "kill" Dr. Fetzer and to "firebomb" the school facilities, the event was cancelled.

According to a Meetup email message from We Are Change Seattle, the decision to cancel was made collaboratively between UHCC and 9/11 Truth Seattle, as they did not want to risk the lives of any students who may be in the facilities.

The organizers of the event scrambled to find a new location and succeeded at the last minute. The event is now scheduled to occur at 7:00 tonight at University Temple United Methodist Church in Seattle.

What was never explained was how moving the event half a mile away and publicly announcing the new location would have reduced the risk. Since the church was a much smaller building it would have been much harder to secure. But the story had a relatively happing ending Fetzer and his buddy, Holocaust denier Nicholas Kollerstrom, gave their presentations without incident or much of an audience “20 attended” which I assume included the organizers.

"What was never explained was how moving the event half a mile away and publicly announcing the new location would have reduced the risk."

FUCKING NAILED IT. We say SCAM.

If the reality was the event was a bust and they organizers wanted an excuse to bail, it was a perfect way to do it. Confirming cult paranoia that "they" are out to get them is a bonus.

Only problem: if this is really a handwritten note(ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDING???), the feds will bust the perp back to gradeschool. Fooling a gullible journalist in a small town rag (who has somehow , despite showing zero talent at it, become a private investigator) is one thing.

Fooling the cops and Quantico grads is a different ball game. Taking bets the "terrorist"will turn out to be a friend or associate of Fetzer, and/or the Seattle WAC Jobs or the Portland cult group?

It's possible it's all horseshit, and there is no letter; they don't say if it was sent by mail or hand delivered. Someone should email UHCC. It made the news:

Bomb Threat Makes 9/11 Truth Activist Cancel Speech

Alfred Webre, apparently not new to the land of tin foil, was another one of the conspiracy cadre to raise the alarm on Facebook, with copypasta from Mark Snyder:

https://www.facebook.com/alfredlambremont.webreiii/posts/398534033515357

Comments:

Jean Lindsay i'm sure it will be only a minor glitch in the pursuance of exposing the truth - truth inevitably always prevails. ♥
June 14 at 9:40pm
Barbara Ianni If that school and the speaker have received threats, that only means the truth is so close and those responsible are extremely uneasy about being totally exposed to the American people. FYI, that day is really, really close. :)
June 15 at 4:17pm

"that only means the truth is so close and those responsible are extremely uneasy about being totally exposed to the American people. FYI, that day is really, really close."

Keep drinking that Kool Aid, Barb . Though this is probably the reason for the scam: keep cultists believing they're oppressed and special.

Waiting for moar on this story....

The "Bomb Threat Drama" continues....HERE

Thursday, March 8, 2012

Fritz Springmeier

Status: ASSOCIATE; GUEST SPEAKER

Networks: Christian Patriot Association,

Group Contacts: Tim Titrud, Tim Calvert

From the far Right of batshit insane, Springmeier is a Christian lunatic on a mission to expose the "New World Order" by bombing adult video stores. Conspiracy fans troll Springmeier's wiki talk page whining about "bias" until they're told to GTFO. In their attempt to remove anything disparaging(ei: True) about their hero, they risk invoking the Streisand Effect. For more info on this phenomena, scroll down to "FBI probes alleged threat to officer".

In spite of Springmeier's colorful and racists past, both Tim Calvert and Tim Titrud have rolled out the welcome mat for "Nitro" Fritz on not one, but two occasions:

In 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ramBn-6Ls

Uploaded by BenWaitingClips on Sep 18, 2011

Fritz Springmeir, author, political prisoner, expert on secret societies and the occult, will discuss occult symbolisand ties to the illuminati, and the 9/11 Attcks.

Filmed on 9.10.11 in Portland Oregon
Due to a fan running in the room: there is a background humming noise (sorry) - (also I seemed to have misspelled Fritz's last name, I apologize)

And in 2012:

Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance Hosts Right-Wing Bomber Courtesy of Citybikes President, Tim Calvert

http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/1/post/2012/09/portland-911-truth-alliance-hosts-right-wing-bomber-courtesy-of-city-bikes-president-tim-calvert.html

When called out at IMC, both Springmeier and "Joe Anybody" try the usual spin : Antifa are bullies and where's the free speech? The most transparent bullshit written online:

Joe Anybody's tl'dr drek:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/09/417943.shtml#405339
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/09/417943.shtml?discuss#405551

Springmeier weighs in:

FALSE FACTS 16.Sep.2012 10:15

Fritz Springmeier springmeiermessages@hotmail.com link

Unfortunately, indymedia is regurgitating false facts about me and what is sad is that they are using them to target someone else unrelated to me. They accuse me of being anti-semitic. They would be surprised to find out where I worship. They claim I bombed something---ignoring the fact that that charge was dropped by the court. And the bomb in question was a propane tank in a bag that never exploded. I am not going to waste time on the lies that were written, but people are welcome to go to my blog pentracks.com and read what I really say instead of believing your lies.

http://pentracks.com

And get's pwned off the field:

BS from Fritz Springmeier 17.Sep.2012 00:01

* link

Fritz Springmeier's response to this article is quite far from honest. While Springmeier's charge of using and carrying a destructive device was not sent to the jury following a court ruling at trial, Springmeier was nevertheless convicted of one charge of armed bank robbery as well as a charge stemming from use of a firearm during that bank robbery. The jury decided that Springmeier so closely aided and abetted the robbery plot as to be criminally liable for the actions of other robbers, such as Bateman's discharge of a firearm during the robbery, which Springmeier knew was part of the plan.

Testimony from one of Springmeier's co-conspirators heard during trial made clear that Springmeier was indeed involved in both planning and carrying out the robbery--including such aspects as the diversionary use of a destructive device at an adult video store. When one is intimately involved in a conspiracy including the setting of a bomb, it is quite right to be labeled as a bomber, whatever the status of the related criminal charge. The jury, in convicting on the other charges, made it clear that in their view Springmeier was a full part of the bank robbery plot. Springmeier now alleges that the bomb at the adult video store never exploded, despite even Springmeier's supporters such as antisemitic conspiracy theorist Henry Makow previously using the word "exploded" to describe what happened. Needless to say, press accounts of the bombing/bank robbery also describe the bomb as being "detonated". Rather strangely, Springmeier seems to think that by pointing out that the device included a propane tank, the bomb somehow becomes less of a serious matter.

Springmeier's antisemitism is not in any doubt, despite Springmeier's protest to the contrary. Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati for example writes of the Jewish people in the following way:

"One group that has been very easy for Satan to provoke against Christians is the Jews. Perhaps no group of people has hated Christians with more intensity. One of the first groups that Satan worked at controlling were the Jews."

Although Springmeier afterwards states that the world conspiracy he alleges is essentially Satanic rather than essentially Jewish, this does little to actually moderate his argument, especially as Springmeier goes on to target the "Rothschilds" as the central family of his alleged Satanic conspiracy.

Springmeier was also active in the Christian Patriots Association. I provided a link earlier in this thread about the CPA and its politics--these politics contained pronounced antisemitic and racist aspects. Springmeier's denial is therefore highly unconvincing.

The idea that the aim of antifascists is just to "target someone else unrelated to" Springmeier is misleading for a couple of reasons. Firstly, antifascists actually do oppose Springmeier, for reasons of Springmeier's antisemitism and extreme-Right politics set forth in the initial article. Citybikes President Tim Calvert did associate himself with Springmeier, the facts of the association also having been set out in the initial article. Calvert secured a location for both of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance events featuring Springmeier, and actively organized for and promoted the September 2011 event including Springmeier. Contrary to Springmeier, therefore, Calvert is very much related to him as well and to Springmeier's public appearances.

Ha ha ha ha ha

Springmeier Stalks Cop: FBI probes alleged threat to officer

Thomas Potter isn't the only group member who stalks cops. In 2001 the FBI considered Springmeier a person of interest in threatening a cop:

FBI probes alleged threat to officer

Man tied to extremists reportedly sent letter in ‘97 seeking information on cop

By Jim Redden
The Portland Tribune, Apr 6, 2001

The Portland Police Bureau is investigating a potential threat against one of its officers by a writer with links to the extremist group Army of God.

The writer is Corbett resident Fritz Springmeier, 45. He is tied to Forrest Bateman, 29, a suspected member of the underground movement.

Springmeier and Bateman recently were arrested during a drug investigation conducted by the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office. Sheriff’s deputies seized marijuana, illegal machine guns, explosives, timing devices and Army of God literature at Bateman’s rural Sandy home.

No weapons or Army of God literature were found at Springmeier’s home, but the two men knew each other, sheriff’s office spokeswoman Angela Blanchard said.

“They are part of the same marijuana grow operation,” Blanchard said. “They’re selling drugs to supplement their income.”

On Nov. 3, 1997, Springmeier wrote to local free-lance journalist John Stevens asking for the home address of Portland police officer Scott Westerman. Stevens was alarmed by the letter and had an associate tell a relative on the police bureau about it. Westerman did not learn about the letter until just a few weeks ago, however.

“That’s a pretty substantial threat,” Westerman said. “I wish I had been told about it at the time.”

According to Westerman, the bureau’s Criminal Intelligence Unit is investigating why he wasn’t told of the threat earlier. Asked about the investigation, CIU head Lt. Randy Kane said he could not comment on it.

Cleared by grand jury

Springmeier’s alleged interest in Westerman stems from a Dec. 14, 1996, shooting case. Corbett resident Patricia Sweany was visiting a friend in Southeast Portland when she called 911 to say she had been poisoned. According to police and press reports, she refused to let paramedics examine her. When Westerman tried to take her to the hospital, she shot a paramedic. Westerman shot and killed Sweany in the ensuing struggle.

The paramedic, Kirk Ream, was not seriously injured.

Portland police detective sergeants Jay Drum and Wayne Svilar investigated the incident. An autopsy conducted by Multnomah County Medical Examiner Larry Lewman found no traces of poison. A Multnomah County grand jury declined to indict Westerman.

Stevens had a reporting business called International News Service when he met Springmeier in the summer of 1997. Springmeier wrote to Stevens a few months later, claiming that Westerman murdered Sweany because she had “lots of hard evidence of judicial corruption in Multnomah County.” The letter asked for Westerman’s home address and sought unspecified “information” on Drum, Svilar and Lewman.

It is unclear how Springmeier knew Sweany. Springmeier has not returned several phone calls to his home from the Portland Tribune.

By coincidence, one of Stevens’ former co-workers was related to Svilar. Stevens had his associate call Svilar and tell him about the letter. Svilar did not ask for a copy of the letter.

“I understand why he didn’t think it was important at the time,” Westerman said. “But given what we know now, I wish I’d known that group was out there.”

Stevens did not think about the letter again until the news broke about the Clackamas County arrests. Bateman was arrested Feb. 9 and is being held on drug and weapons charges. Springmeier was arrested March 1, charged with drug crimes, and released on his own recognizance.

The FBI was brought into the case because of the weapons and Army of God literature. Although the local FBI office declined to comment on its investigation, Blanchard said Bateman is suspected of belonging to the Army of God. He was convicted of racially intimidating a Forest Grove High School student in 1989.

Springmeier is a fundamentalist Christian who has written several books charging that satanic forces are conspiring with corrupt government officials to take over the world. During a radio interview, he described his job as “exposing the New World Order agenda.”

The Army of God “are anti-abortion religious zealots who believe in using explosives to get their point across,” said Gary Perlstein, a nationally recognized terrorism expert who teaches criminal justice classes at Portland State University.

After learning that Springmeier was linked to Bateman, Stevens took the letter to the FBI. A short time later, Westerman received a call about it from the Criminal Intelligence Unit.

He doesn’t blame Stevens for the lack of notice.

“He did the right thing,” Westerman said.

Contact Jim Redden at jredden@portlandtribune.com.

Article archived here:
http://www.portlandtribune.net/news/story.php?story_id=2757

Bet Springmeier's buddies thought they'd sent that article down the memory hole....

BOOM!

In 1997 Springmeier blows shit up with right-wing nut militia fag Forrest Bateman; indicted in 2002:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia56.html

Grand jury indicts two in 1997 bank robbery

The Oregonian/February 13, 2002
Stuart Tomlinson
Two men with ties to ultra-right-wing groups have been indicted in the violent robbery of a Damascus bank in 1997. To divert attention from the robbery, officials said, the men detonated a bomb at an adult video store six miles away.
A federal grand jury indicted Fritz A. Springmeier, 46, and Forrest E. Bateman, 30, on Jan. 29 on charges of armed bank robbery, use of a firearm in a violent crime and possession of a destructive device in a violent crime.
Springmeier, also known as Victor E. Schoof, also was indicted on suspicion of growing marijuana in his Corbett home after a March 2001 arrest.
Detective Jim Strovink of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office said the Oct. 8, 1997, robbery of the Damascus branch of Key Bank of Oregon had a "significant impact" on bank employees.
About 1 p.m., a man dressed in battle fatigues approached a teller and demanded money. At one point, he tried to enter the bank's safe. He then fired his gun once into the ceiling.
"This guy had an FBI tag duct-taped to the back of his jacket," Strovink said. "Anytime you have someone come into a bank firing an assault rifle . . . it's the kind of crime that catches the eye of prosecutors and the courts. They could be looking at some very severe penalties."
About 10 minutes before the robbery, which netted the robber $6,000, a bomb was detonated at the Fantasyland Adult Video store, 16014 S.E. 82nd Drive, six miles to the west and about 10 minutes away by car.
Springmeier was arrested Feb. 1 and booked into the Justice Center Jail. He was released following a Feb. 4 hearing before a federal magistrate but was placed under house arrest and will wear an electronic monitoring device. His arraignment is scheduled Friday in U.S. District Court.
The U.S. Marshal's Service is attempting to serve Bateman with the indictment.
The indictment doesn't say which man actually robbed the bank. FBI officials and prosecutors won't discuss the case.
Federal officials have kept both men under scrutiny for their anti-government views and actions for several years.
Springmeier is known for writing books and tracts on the beliefs of the Christian Patriot Association, an ultra-right-wing group based in Boring.
Last March, Clackamas County sheriff's deputies and federal agents arrested Springmeier and his wife, Patricia Springmeier, during a raid at their Corbett home that was part of an ongoing investigation into the Christian Patriot Association.
Police seized marijuana-growing equipment, several weapons and white separatist literature.
Bateman appeared in 1992 on the Oregon State Police's 10-most-wanted list on accusations of felony possession of a firearm and second-degree assault in connection with Skinhead activities. He was convicted in 1989 of racially intimidating a Forest Grove High School student.
Police said Springmeier and Bateman met at a Christian Patriot Association meeting several years ago and that they grew marijuana to supplement their income.
In February 2001, Bateman was one of three people arrested at a house in Sandy where police discovered an arsenal of explosives, machine guns and white supremacist literature.
Police also seized ammonium nitrate and fuel oil -- the same substances used in the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building -- and literature affiliated with the Army of God, a white supremacist group connected to the 1997 bombings of an abortion clinic and a gay nightclub in Atlanta.

Update in 2003 at a Bible Study website lightly sprinkled with tin foil:

http://www.eaec.org/expose/FritzSpringmeier2.htm

UPDATE ON FRITZ SPRINGMEIER

John S. Torell
September 15, 2003

On October 8, 1997 the Damascus branch of Key Bank of Oregon was robbed. The robbers fled with $6,000.00 in cash. One of the robbers, later identified as Forrest E. Bateman Jr., used a gun in the robbery, when he fired one shot into the ceiling of the bank to warn the bank clerks that he was willing to use the gun if they did not comply with his demands. Bateman was dressed in army battle fatigues. Ten minutes prior to the robbery, a bomb exploded at the Fantasy Adult Video Store, located six miles west of the bank. No one was injured in the explosion but police investigators believe that the bomb was set off as a diversionary tactic.

Bateman and another man (which I will not identify in order to protect his family, but will give him the fictitious name Roger), had sometime earlier been recruited by Fritz Springmeier¹, and both of them lived on a remote property on and off for eight years which was owned by Roger’s family. Fritz would come often and spend time with the men. According to a family member (which I have spoken to on several occasions), they were preparing for some kind of action against government authorities. Roger, Bateman and Springmeier grew marijuana on the family property (which was not known to the family), and it was sold as a source of income to fund their activities. The family eventually became very afraid of Fritz and forbade him to come back on the property.

Some time after the robbery Roger was arrested and charged with having an illegal shot gun, with a barrel that was not in compliance with the law and also for being part of the marijuana growing. He was promised a lighter sentence if he would testify against Bateman and Springmeier, but the deal was later reneged on by the assistant U.S. Attorney, Frank Noonan. Roger was sentenced to a prison term of 47 months to be served out in federal prison, and was then shipped off to a federal prison in California.

In January 2002 Bateman and Springmeier were indicted by a grand jury on charges of armed bank robbery, the use of a firearm in a violent crime and possession of a destructive device in a violent crime; but they did not go to trial until January 2003.

At this time Roger was brought back to Oregon from the federal prison in California and held in a local county jail. According to family members of Roger, he was very scared and feared for his life and wanted to be returned as soon as possible to the federal prison in California where he felt safer.

Bateman was facing up to 20 years in federal prison when he accepted a plea bargain on January 27, 2003 in the U.S. District Court in Portland, Oregon and plead guilty to the charge of bank robbery. When Batemen was sentenced on April 3, 2003, he was sentenced to 10 to 12 years.

On February 12, 2003 Springmeier was convicted in a jury trial on two counts, while a third was thrown out. Count one charged defendant with armed bank robbery and count two charged defendant with using and carrying a firearm during the armed robbery. Count three which charged defendant with using and carrying a destructive device during a bank robbery, did not go to the jury because the court ruled that the evidence did not support that charge.

The legal counsel for Springmeier filed a motion to have the case thrown out in the Federal District Court of Oregon. This motion was denied by the federal district judge James A. Redden on March 21, 2003. Due to legal maneuvering by Springmeier, the sentencing date was changed several times. Currently Springmeier’s sentencing is scheduled for November 13, 2003.

After having been kept in Oregon for some seven months, first in a county jail and later at the federal prison in Sheridan, Oregon, Roger was shipped back to California to serve out his prison sentence. Because Bateman confessed to the robbery and agreed to testify against Springmeier, Roger was never used as a witness during Springmeier’s trial.

Both Springmeier and Bateman are currently incarcerated at the federal prison in Sheridan, Oregon. Springmeier is held at the maximum security facility. According to an anonymous source in Oregon, Fritz was involved in a fight in the prison and spent some time in solitary confinement.

Investigator reporter John Stevens from the Portland area in Oregon, was able to obtain copies of the search warrants used by the police to search Springmeier and Bateman’s residences in Multnomah and Clackamas Counties. According to Stevens here are some of the items found and confiscated: Machine guns, a modified 20 mm cannon, a 37 mm grenade launcher, hand grenades, part for a .50 caliber machine gun, tri-pod mounted .30 caliber semi-automatic belt fed copy of a Browning 1919 machine gun, dynamite, binary explosives, chemicals to make C-4 explosives, numerous hand guns, rifles, and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

COVER UP - WHY?
When I first was informed that Fritz was under police investigation, I started to search the Portland newspaper, The Oregonian. I was able to find at least two newspaper articles, stating the arrest of Fritz Springmeier and a write up on the court proceedings from January 27, published in the Oregonian on January 29, 2003. The staff writer was Stephen Beaven. Within a few weeks, every article concerning Springmeier vanished from the Oregonian website, and when I tried to find them, the answer came up that there are no articles existing on Springmeier. Next I tried to call the newspaper, and ask for photocopies, willing to pay for them. It was impossible to find anyone working in the archives willing to do the work. ²

During the first court proceedings, Steven Beaven attended representing The Oregonian. As the different legal maneuvers took place in the Federal District Court, the only reporter present for all the hearings was the private investigative reporter John Stevens³. When I spoke to him, he was at a total loss as to why the media in Portland had made the decision not to inform the public what was happening or to attend the court hearings; after all, this was an armed robbery and a very well known person in the community was accused of having done it.

The only place my researcher in Portland could find a copy of the denial from Judge James A. Redden, was in the law library of the Oregon State University.

As I looked further into the case, I was told there is a possibility that the Federal Government is trying to use Springmeier in the upcoming trials of the alleged abortion bomber Eric Rudolph as a witness against him (Rudolph eluded capture for some five years). The common practice of the federal government is to be able to have a hostile witness testify against a defendant, and to offer a reduced sentence for the witness. While negotiations are going on, there is usually a news media blackout. Rudolph and Springmeier are both suspected to be members of the Army of God (AOG).

According to the items listed in the search warrants obtained by John Stevens, the following material was found in Bateman’s residence: Signs, banners, books, literature, computer records and handwritten material that identified Bateman as a member of the "Army of God." There were books describing how to make explosives, create poisonous gases, culture diseases, as well as books on sniper training and freedom fighting. There was also a copy of the Army of God operations manual.

Furthermore, ceramic body armor with an Army of God (AOG) patch on the left shoulder was found along with "Bull Run Militia" emblems, extensive military gear, fake identification, plans and diagrams of operational plans which included the building of an underground command center, an escape tunnel and a bunker in the woods.

Meanwhile supporters of Springmeier are claiming that Fritz was "framed" by the Federal Government and that he is innocent. There are some website’s claiming his innocence and some of them are trying to raise money so that Fritz can hire attorneys and continue the appeal process.

After talking with a number of people who have known Fritz for some years, and particularly to the family of Roger, I am convinced that Fritz participated and led the bank robbery, that he is a member of the Army of God, and that this group is armed and dangerous to anyone opposing them. Hiding behind the cloak of being Christians, they are bringing shame to the body of Christ.

Pastor Jeff Weakley of God’s Remnant Church (GRC) is a part of the Identity Movement⁴, which is also connected with the Christian Patriot Association (CPA). Weakley in an interview with John Stevens in 1997 told how the Army of God (AOG) is set up, and he specifically warned that the members are very dangerous, well armed, committed and invisible. Weakley further revealed that Springmeier may be the leader and brain behind Army of God cells and their activities. In a private letter from Springmeier to John Stevens in 1997, Springmeier outlined his activities and he ended the letter, saying "PLEASE DESTROY THIS LETTER AFTER YOU READ IT, OUR EXISTENCE IS UNKNOWN."

For a background study on Fritz Springmeier, see our article on Fritz Springmeier - Another Human Tragedy.

1. Due to death threats and promises of harm, we cannot name some of our sources.

2. During the time period of March thru June 2003 there were no articles on Fritz Springmeier available from The Oregonian newspaper.

3. For a deeper study on the Identity Movement, see The Dove, Spring/Summer 1996, pages 20-36 (available for $2.00 postage paid); see our article on the Identity Movement Cult.

4. John Stevens is an independent investigative reporter who has written some articles used by the Oregon Spotlight. For a complete report of Stevens’ investigation of the Springmeier case, you may contact him at ins@qcsn.com, call him at (503) 256-1656, or visit the Oregonian Spotlight website. http://oregonspotlight.org/news.htm

It's gotta be bad for Springmeier when fellow Bible -thumpers write him off.

Assuming it still is Springmeier...

Imposter?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Jim Fetzer

Status: ASSOCIATE; GUEST SPEAKER

Networks: Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Dynamic Duo, Twilight Pines

Group Contacts: Craig Lazo, Jennifer Wynhausen, possibly Sara Lamadrid

Conspiracy conartist and blowhard, Fetzer is a Fagin father figure to several Milli Vanilli-style made to order "truther" celebrities including Rosalee Grable aka Webfairy, "Killtown" and Judy Wood. Close associate of Larouchies Webster Tarpley and Phil Berg, as well as Holocaust denier Kevin Barrett. Used his radio program as a platform to call for harassment of "enemies" of the group.

JFK

Back in the Days of Yore, or at least the late '90's, Fetzer was mixing with the JFK conspiracy clowns. One day someone who wasn't completely braindead or brainwashed did some digging that connected Fetzer to the Moonie cult:

Message from discussion Fetzer & Rev. Sun Myung Moon

dxmivi Feb 10 1998, 1:00 am
Subj: Fetzer & the Rev. Sun Myung Moon
The newsgroups have recently been the scene of some heated
debates on the merits of the recently released book titled
Assassination Science. The Author, James Fetzer, had some
intense confrontations with Martin Shakelford and Howard
Platzman. Fetzer has implied that Martin is some kind of
disinformation agent. The readers might want to learn about
an association of Jim Fetzer's with a book publisher that is
owned by a man who is no stranger to "disinformation."
The "Moonies" are a religious cult headed by the Rev. Sun
Myung Moon. Moon founded the Unification Church. A book company
by the name of Paragon House has published several books that
Jim Fetzer has authored or edited. Paragon House (and the
Washington Times) are both owned by Sun Myung Moon. Here is
information about Paragon House and about the books they
have published by James Fetzer. I draw no conclusions about the
motivation of Jim Fetzer to be involved with Paragon House. We'll
leave it up to the reader to make their own interpretation.
This first section of information was found at...
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Unification-Church/moonlist.txt

MOON MEDIA FRONTS:
Paragon House Publishers * 866 2nd Ave., NYC; 212-223-6433 (owned
by Paragon Book Reprint Co., which is owned by International
Cultural Foundation; also at 481 8th Ave., 212-239-7422
International Cultural Foundation * (I.C.F.) 1667 K St., NW,
Washington, DC 20006; 202-293-9393; also 4 W. 43rd St., NYC
10036; 212-947-1756 (funds many church projects, especially
Int'l Conf. on Unity of Sciences; sole shareholder of
Paragon House Publishers) Neil Albert Salonen, President
(former Pres. of Unif. Church of America, 1971-80)
International Conference for the Unity of the Sciences * (ICUS)
481 8th Ave., Rm 747, NYC 10001; 212-947-1756 (funded by
Int'l Cultural Foundation)
The following information is from Paragon House's Web site.
http://www.paragonhouse.com/Paragon/information.html

Paragon House is a member of the Continuum Publishing Group, New York.
In 1981, the International Cultural Foundation purchased Paragon Book
and Reprint Corporation in New York, a company specializing in Asian
books and Asian philosophy, and expanded it to a mid-size publishing
house to support religious scholars, philosophers, social theorists,
and scientists writing on issues affecting contemporary life. In 1996,
the main office moved to St. Paul, Minnesota.
2700 University Avenue West, Suite 47, St. Paul, Minnesota 55114 USA
Phone: (612)644-3087 -- Fax: (800) 494-0997
Here are the first three books listed in Paragon House's Web
site under category of philosophy:
PHILOSOPHY AND COGNITIVE SCIENCE
Second Edition: Revised and Expanded
James H. Fetzer
This volume provides an introduction to cognitive science, the
most exciting and fastest growing area of intellectual inquiry in the
world today. It examines the principal problems that cognitive
science addresses, the solutions it considers, and the intellectual
landscape against which its importance may be measured.
ISBN 1-55778-739-5 Paper $16.95, References, Indexes, pp. 208
CONTENTS
Chapter 1 A Science of Cognition
Chapter 2 Are we Brains in Vats?
Chapter 3 Minds and Machines
Chapter 4 The Nature of Language
Chapter 5 What is Mentality?
Chapter 6 Connectionism and Cognition
Chapter 7 Mental Development
Chapter 8 Are Humans Rational?
Chapter 9 Mentality, Causality, Morality
"Jim Fetzer's abilities as a stimulating teacher and as an insightful
scholar are wonderfully woven together in Philosophy and Cognitive
Science. He introduces a broad range of perspectives and insights
on the interaction of philosophy and the rapidly developing
disciplines of cognitive science.Reading [it] is a richly
rewarding experience."
--William Bechtel, Washington University, and current Editor of
Philosophical Psychology
"This is a good book. Innovative in its integration of computational
and connectionist approaches with more traditional views of thought
and representation, the book ably introduces a host of issues at the
interface of philosophy of mind and cognitive science. It will be
valuable to anyone with a general interest in cognitive science
and should also be popular as a text."
--George Graham, University of Alabama, Birmingham, and former Editor
of Behavior and Philosophy
JAMES H. FETZER is McKnight University Professor at the University of
Minnesota, Duluth. Heis author of Philosophy of Science and Foundations
of Philosophy of Science: Recent Developments and co-author of Glossary
of Epistemology/Philosophy of Science and Glossaryof Cognitive Science.
He is Editor of Minds and Machines and Series Editor of Studies in
Cognitive Systems.
FOUNDATIONS OF PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE
Recent Developments
Edited by JAMES H. FETZER
University of Minnesota, Duluth
ISBN 1-55778-480-9, 512 pp., index, paper $28.95
Twenty-five classic and contemporary articles by Rudolf Carnap, Karl
Popper, Carl Hempel, Wesley Salmon and many others provide accessible
and stimulating reading in this growing field. Organized to correspond
to the companion volume, Philosophy of Science, these papers investigate
the methods and goals of empirical science and explore connections
between the history and philosophy of science. Review questions and
an extensive bibliography make Foundations of Philosophy of Science
useful as both a supplemental and independent text for courses in
philosophy and the social sciences.
PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE
JAMES H. FETZER
University of Minnesota, Duluth
ISBN 1-55778-481-7, 195 pp., index, paper $16.95
The development of science has been a distinctive feature of human
history in recent times, especially in the seventeenth and eighteenth
centuries. In light of the problems that define the philosophy of
science today, James Fetzer provides a foundation for inquiry into
the nature of science, the history of science, and the relationship
between the two.
By emphasizing the importance of methodological commitments to the
study of science and the significance of interpretations of
probability to understanding laws of nature and scientific
explanations, this book offers a welcome framework for investigating
the most recent work and the most promising solutions to the central
problems that arise within this discipline. The result is a timely
introduction to an increasingly important field.
SPECIAL FEATURES:
Clear, accessible, and comprehensive
Written by a major contributor to the field
Broad scope of coverage with concise discussion
Historical examples skillfully woven into the text
Companion anthology organized to correspond to the text
JAMES H. FETZER is professor of philosophy at the University of
Minnesota, Duluth. In addition to publishing more than seventy
articles and reviews, he is the author of Philosophy and Cognitive
Science (1991), the editor of Foundations of Philosophy of Science:
Recent Developments (1993), and coauthor of The Paragon Glossary
of Cognitive Science (with Charles Dunlop, forthcoming), and The
Paragon Glossary in Epistemology/Philosophy of Science (with Robert
Almeder).
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It's like the group and it's associates have a fatal attraction to cults: Larouche, NATLFED, Scientology, and now the Moonies. The cognitive science book is still sorta available on Amazon:

Product Details

Paperback: 187 pages

Publisher: Paragon House; 1st edition (December 1990)

Language: English

ISBN-10: 1557781958

ISBN-13: 978-1557781956

Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 5.9 x 0.8 inches

Shipping Weight: 10.4 ounces

Moron Fetzer and the Moonies:

Subject:
Fetzer and Moonies

Date:
Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:01:19 -0600

From:
dxmivi@aol.com

Organization:
Deja News Posting Service

Newsgroups:
alt.conspiracy.jfk

James Fetzer has supplied additional information about his association with the Moonies. He acknowledges that he knows that the publisher of several of his books, Paragon House, is owned by the Moonies. Jim Fetzer states:

"With respect to Paragon House, I was initially contacted by two respected philosophers, John Roth of Claremont Graduate School and Frederick Sontag of Pomona College, who were editing a series of textbooks for undergraduates, asking if I might be interested in authoring an introduction to the field of cognitive science. I liked the idea and soon found myself working with an excellent in-house editor, Peter Coveney, now the Executive Editor of M.E. Sharpe, Inc., of Armonk, New York. When I discovered the house was owned by the Moonies, I had a lengthy talk with Peter, who as-sured me that the publishing house was independent of any editorial control from the Moonies."

George Bush has assured the world that The Washington Times is also independent from editorial control of the Moonies and Sun Myung Moon. As we shall see later in this post, this is obviously not the case. It seems that persons on this news group do not realize the significance of an association with a Moonie-owned propaganda organization. This is not an exercise in character assassination and there is no intent to imply guilt by association in this message. Jim Fetzer may not realize what it means to be welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. If he does not, this may serve to enlighten him. If, on the other hand, he knows and does not care, then everyone should view his writings with suspicion, no matter what the subject matter may be.

Fetzer says he believed Mr. Coveney's assurances that Paragon House was "independent" of Moonie control. He may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because he says he believes this, does not exclude the possibility that he knows that they are not independent. There is also the possibility that Coveney was deliberately misleading Fetzer.

Fetzer also says that he believes that Paragon House is not profitable. He states:

"Publishing is a mixed bag for the Moonies, as I understand it, however, since Paragon appears to lose money."

If Paragon House looses money, that does not mean that it isn't worth the loss, if it furthers the propaganda purposes of the Moonie cult. It also may be a useful write-off for the Moon organization, if it is a money looser. If it does make money, and Fetzer seems uncertain about this, it supports the cult and its "goals" with its financial gains.

Let's look at the circumstances of the acquisition of Paragon House by the Moonies. The following excerpt was taken from: http://WWW.PWPA.ORG/Congress/1stcong.html

[The First International Congress of Professors World Peace Academy Seoul, Korea - December 18, 1983 The First International Congress was held as an organizing event for the PWPA International network. The Founder of PWPA called professors from 72 nations to Seoul, Korea in December 1983. They participated in ten days of whirlwind speaking throughout Korea, giving messages at evening banquets. Then, on December 18th the professors met together for a luncheon meeting at the Little Angels Performing Arts Center at which the Reverend Moon set forth his vision of the mission of PWPA:

"The ultimate goal of PWPA is to help create a just and harmonious world order by encouraging scholars to search for new ideas and methods of achieving peace and prosperity."

His vision included the creation of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers has become the center of this effort.]

So, we have the leader of one of the world's largest religious cults creating organizations to further his "vision" and we see he has used the book publisher Paragon House as the "center of this effort." The "goal" is "to create a just and harmonious world order."

As we saw in a previous post, International Cultural Foundation is the sole owner of Paragon House and its President is a former President of the Unification Church.
> International Cultural Foundation * (I.C.F.) 1667 K St., NW,
> Washington, DC 20006; 202-293-9393; also 4 W. 43rd St., NYC
> 10036; 212-947-1756 (funds many church projects, especially
> Int'l Conf. on Unity of Sciences; sole shareholder of
> Paragon House Publishers) Neil Albert Salonen, President
> (former Pres. of Unif. Church of America, 1971-80)

The following passage was found at http://www.pwpa.ORG/General/icf.html

[The International Cultural Foundation (ICF) has provided major support for the Professors World Peace Academy. It was established by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon with the purpose of promoting academic, scientific, and cultural activities... ....Paragon House was organized in 1982 as an outgrowth of products generated by the projects supported by the International Cultural Foundation. Professors World Peace Academy and the International Conference on the Unity of the Sciences publish their scholarly books as imprints of Paragon House.]

That information was obtained from a Moonie site. Their assertion that Paragon House is independent is highly doubtful. These organizations were created by cult leader Sun Myung Moon to further his own agenda.

So far, in this post, we have presented information taken only from Moonie sources. To see a critical perspective of Moon, his activities, agenda, alliances and organizations, please see the information that is provided under the title of "The Dark Side of Rev. Moon Series" at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html

Here are some enlightening examples of Moon and his despicable agenda.

Under the title, "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Hooking Bush," we learn that as Moon was trying to establish a newspaper to further his propaganda purposes and gain influence in South America, he met resistance from Argentina's president Carlos Menem. Since Menem was unwilling to endorse the new publishing venture because of Moon's particularly unsavory past, who do we see fly in from the US to save the day and deliver the keynote speech at the Buenos Aires bash held to celebrate the launch of the paper? The endorsement came from none other than our own ex-president George Herbert Walker Bush. Here is an excerpt from "Hooking Bush."

[Bush lavished praise on Moon and his journalistic enterprises. "I want to salute Reverend Moon, who is the founder of The Washington Times and also of Tiempos del Mundo," Bush declared. "A lot of my friends in South America don't know about The Washington Times, but it is an independent voice. The editors of The Washington Times tell me that never once has the man with the vision interfered with the running of the paper, a paper that in my view brings sanity to Washington, D.C. I am convinced that Tiempos del Mundo is going to do the same thing" in Latin America.]

But was "Poppy" telling the truth about the Washington Times? Another quote from the same article tells the real story about the "independent voice" of The Washington Times.

[Bush's endorsement of The Washington Times' editorial independence also was not truthful. Almost since it opened in 1982, a string of senior editors and correspondents have resigned, citing the manipulation of the news by Moon and his subordinates. The first editor, James Whelan, resigned in 1984, confessing that he had "blood on his hands" for helping the church achieve greater legitimacy.]

So was George Bush helping out his friend, Moon, out of the kindness of his heart? Let's look at more from "Hooking Bush."

[After the event, Menem told reporters from La Nacion that Bush had claimed privately to be only a mercenary who did not really know Moon. "Bush told me he came and charged money to do it," Menem said. [Nov. 26, 1996]. But Bush was not telling Menem the whole story. By last fall, Bush and Moon had been working in political tandem for at least a decade and a half. The ex-president also had been moonlighting as a front man for Moon for more than a year...

....Bush's office has refused to divulge how much Moon-affiliated organizations have paid the ex-president. But estimates of Bush's fee for the Buenos Aires appearance alone ran between $100,000 and $500,000. Sources close to the Unification Church have put the total Bush-Moon package in the millions, with one source telling The Consortium that Bush stood to make as much as $10 million.]

Another article in "The Dark Side of Rev. Moon Series" titled: "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Buying the Right" tells us:

[Moon's rhetoric has turned stridently anti-American, another problem for the Religious Right and its strongly patriotic positions. On May 1, 1997, Moon told a group of followers that "the country that represents Satan's harvest is America." [Unification News, June 1997] In other sermons, he has vowed that his victorious movement will "digest" any American who tries to maintain his or her individuality. He especially has criticized American women who must "negate yourself 100 percent" to be a receptacle for the male seed. [For details of Moon's speeches, see The Consortium, July 28, 1997]

Still, despite his controversial remarks, Moon continues to buy friends on the American right -- as well as among African-American religious figures -- by spreading around vast sums of money. The totals are estimated in the billions of dollars, with much of it targeted on political infrastructure: direct-mail operations, video services for campaign ads, professional operatives and right-wing media outlets.]

Let's look deeper at Rev. Moon and his agenda. From "Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Truth, Legend & Lies" we learn:

[Reports by the CIA, the FBI and Defense Intelligence Agency painted a picture of a secretive religion with close ties to South Korea's brutal intelligence service, the KCIA, as well as to prominent right-wing industrialists linked to the Japanese mob, the yakuza.]

And...

[Moon's church also was active in the Asian People's Anti-Communist League, a fiercely right-wing group founded by the governments of South Korea and Taiwan. In 1966, the group expanded into the World Anti-Communist League, an international alliance that brought together traditional conservatives with former Nazis, overt racialists and Latin American "death squad" operatives. In an interview, retired U.S. Army Gen. John K. Singlaub, a former WACL president, said "the Japanese [WACL] chapter was taken over almost entirely by Moonies."]

And...

[Although blacked-out portions obscured who was stating some of the conclusions -- a specific source or the FBI -- the report described the church as "an absolutely totalitarian organization" which was part of an international "conspiracy" that functioned by its own rules. "One of the central doctrines of the Moon religious aspects is what they call heavenly deception. ... It basically says that to take from Satan what rightfully belongs to God, you may do most anything. You may lie, cheat, steal or kill."]

And...

[Thousands of dollars were earmarked for "special manipulation" of congressmen; their staffs were to be infiltrated with paid "collaborators"; an "intelligence network" was to be put into the White House; money was targeted for "manipulation" of officials at the Pentagon, State Department and CIA; some U.S. journalists were to be spied on, while others would be paid; a "black newspaper" would be started in New York; contacts with American scholars would be coordinated "with Psychological Warfare Bureau"; and "an organizational network of anti-communist fronts" would be created.

Several months later, in summer 1976, Moon returned to the United States and delivered a flattering pro-U.S. speech at the Washington Monument. On a deeper level, however, Moon seemed to be following the KCIA script. Moon started a small-circulation newspaper in New York City that featured Jesse Jackson's column. Moon promoted the anti-communist cause through front groups which held conferences and paid speaking fees to academics, journalists and political leaders.]

And finally...

Moon and his new U.S. conservative allies mounted a strong defense, however. In pro-Moon publications, Fraser and his staff were pilloried as leftists. Anti-Moon witnesses were assailed as unstable liars. Minor bookkeeping problems inside the investigation, such as Fraser's salary advances to some staff members, were seized upon to justify demands for an ethics probe of the congressman.

One of those ethics letters, dated June 30, 1978, came from John T. "Terry" Dolan of the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC). Dolan's group was pioneering the strategy of "independent" TV attack ads which smeared liberal Democrats. In turn, Moon's CAUSA International helped Dolan by contributing $500,000 to a Dolan group, known as the Conservative Alliance or CALL. [ Washington Post, Sept. 17, 1984]

With support from Dolan and others, Moon weathered the Koreagate political storm. Fraser lost a Senate bid in 1978 and was out of Congress. Then, in 1980, Reagan won the White House and extended a VIP invitation for Moon to attend the presidential inaugural. The theocrat had arrived.

But Moon still faced nagging legal problems from the 1970s. Over objections from senior Reagan administration officials at the Justice Department, federal prosecutors in New York City insisted on pursuing a tax case against Moon for fraudulently reporting his income. The case led to Moon's 1982 conviction and a 13-month prison term, but the more serious case against Moon as a suspected intelligence agent petered out. It's still not clear why.

"I don't think there was any doubt that the Moon newspaper took a virulently pro-South Korea position," explained Oliver "Buck" Revell, then a senior FBI official in the national security area. "But whether there was something illegal about it..." His voice trailed off. As for the internal security investigation in the 1970s, Revell added only: "It led its full life."]

Does anyone recognize the name of Oliver "Buck" Revell?

I think we have made our point. We could quote from hundreds of pages of material that details the history of the notorious Sun Myung Moon. He is a person who has tremendous influence in the world. This person is the ultimate example of religion gone bad. His massive propaganda machine is too vast to describe in any one post to a news group.

Jim Fetzer has been selected to be part of the Moonie information machine. He may not know how evil Rev. Moon is. He may think that Paragon House is free from control, but that is not the case. Every author who is selected and invited to write for them is seen as an integral part of the Moonie agenda. I will not accuse Fetzer of deliberately and knowingly furthering that agenda, but, if he has any conscience, he will immediately disassociate himself from their efforts to "create a just and harmonious world order" (Moon's words).

He should break away from Moon's "vision" that "included the creation of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers has become the center of this effort." (Quote from Moonie site).

Our thanks to Robert Parry and the Consortium, where much of this material exposing the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Professors World Peace Academy, International Cultural Foundation and Paragon House was found. Visit them at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====--------------

 Fetzer: The Last Word?

Subject: 
             Fetzer: The Last Word? 
        Date: 
             Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:31:33 -0600 
       From: 
             dxmivi@aol.com
Organization: 
             Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion 
 Newsgroups: 
             alt.conspiracy.jfk

Let me respond to the person some are now calling Uncle Fester. Then I
will try to resist any further comment because I think it serves no real
purpose to argue with someone who, at times, in recent posts, comes off
sounding almost like a mental case. Perhaps he enjoys arguing, and he
likes the idea that JFK researchers who are drawn into fighting with him
are pulled away from more productive uses of their time. Martin Shackelford
and Howard Platzman took him apart like the intellectual tinker-toy
set that he is, but, like a deaf, dumb and blind energizer bunny, he
just keeps right on going. And his supporters either don't care or don't
understand.

This is an extremely difficult person to reason with, because he invents
his own ridiculous logic/proof system and thinks he is fooling people
into believing this system makes sense when a ten-year-old child who is
above average intelligence should see through it very quickly. I will
expose this comical "proof" methodology later in this post.

I am not connected to any of the anti-cult organizations that try to
show the world how evil the Moonies are, as he wrongly asserts, (without
any backing - as he does often on JFK issues). I had to spend hours
studying and searching for information that demonstrated that Paragon House
is part of the Moonie propaganda effort. I thought perhaps Fetzer would
realize what a monster he is in bed with, but instead, he responded with
unfounded and ludicrous accusations about me seeking to deprive him of
his right to free speech. Mr. Fetzer, is free to exist as an approved
asset of the Unification Church if he likes. I obviously was not certain
that he was aware that he is a tool for their goals, but that does not
stop him from incorrectly claiming that I was aware of this. The Rev. Moon
and his organization, themselves, are the source for the much of that
information.

Let me say that I have Fetzer's book, and have, like Martin, read enough
of it to see how shockingly bad the parts of it he has authored really are.
I cannot recommend the book, and I realize that bad publicity may help
to sell it as well as favorable reaction, but it is worth the risk to
expose the degree of worthlessness of Fetzer's contributions to it. There
have been many poorly written books on this case from both sides. People
should not waste their money on this one, despite the fact that Fetzer
somehow convinced people who are credible (such as Crenshaw and Kizzia) to
make contributions. This is my opinion, and I feel the need to express it.

The absurdity of labeling Martin Shackelford a disinformation agent was
the catalyst for my involvement. Jim deserves far worse treatment for that
than the things that I have said about him in the previous two posts. Now
he seems to have declared war on me for trying to make people aware that
he was accepted as a part of the Moonie propaganda machine. He knows I
was careful not to say whether I knew he was aware of this. He also knew
that I was also careful to state that I was not even sure the person who
recruited Fetzer for the Moonies knew this. Let me show the readers just
how Fetzer twists the statements of those that dare to challenge his
surprisingly amateurish JFK assassination work.

But first, let's see an example of his paranoid and/or provocative
assumptions that have no basis in reality. I want Fetzer's contributors,
supporters and those that endorsed the book on the dust jacket to pay
careful attention to what I say in this post. I will also demonstrate how
Fetzer employs an extremely poorly-reasoned logic and proof system to
assert that certain things he claims about the JFK assassination are
transformed from conjecture into what he claims is certainty and truth.

Why he chose to respond to my post on the weberman.com news group (now
run by queenbee.net, I believe) which few people even subscribe to, makes
little sense, since I did not post any of this to that group at all.
He states in his rambling and confusing response that my latest post
(which suggested he sever his ties to the Moonies) was intended to end
in his "conforming to the expressed wishes and desired (sic) of dxmivi
and Deja News."

Allow me to educate Mr. Fetzer on dejanews. Dejanews provides an online
archive of news group posts and also serves as a vehicle for making
posts on the groups. I have never met anyone at dejanews. How he jumps
to mindless conclusions about them allying with me in some sort of
conspiratorial cabal to "smear" him speaks volumes about the quality
of all of his work. He builds on mistaken or unproven assumptions to
weave a web of specious and false statements of "fact" that seem nothing
more than paranoid and incompetent ravings. So much of what is in his
questionable writings follows this maddening torture of logic that it
renders Fetzer's "research", in my opinion, to be virtually useless.
He accuses me of "guilt by association", but what about the unlucky
persons that are now associated with his book that has come to be known
behind the scenes (by those who see through it) as "Assassinating Science."

I have great respect for David Mantik and am just amazed as to why he
would be associated with someone who employs such twisted logic. Fetzer's
work makes JFK researchers, in general, look kooky "by association." The
titling of Mantik's chapter as "Special Effects in the Zapruder Film: How
the Film of the Century Was Edited" does not accurately characterize
the speculative and inconclusive nature of the evidence offered in the
chapter. Fetzer, and all his Lancer panel full of "experts" has proven
nothing. I don't know for sure that the Z-film was not altered, but
adding up all of these "anomalies" still fails to "prove" any alteration.
Most of them can be very easily and quite conclusively discounted. And
I would guess that Fetzer is bitter towards people like Martin Shackelford
for having the desire and knowledge to do exactly that. Jim Fetzer
asserts that "The author has taken a part of a lengthy post that
placed my involvement with Paragon House in perspective and extensively
edited it, even to the extent of cutting out the most important sentences
found therein."

I could care less about the other publishers of his books. They are
obviously not relevant to making clear that he is associated with a
notorious cult. In fact, they show that Fetzer doesn't need the
endorsement or support of the Moonies and doesn't have to take their
dirty money because other publishers might have published them. I
"edited out" nothing and was presenting only the information on the
Moonies and Paragon House because the other books had nothing to do
with the point I was making. This is another example of Fetzer's
methodology. He states assumption as fact and then builds upon it to
twist and distort for effect. He speaks of my post as being "a case
study in propagandistic (sic) techniques" but would be more accurate if
he was describing his own tactics rather than my own. It is almost
useless to attempt to debate a person who thinks this way, because
no matter how you debunk his claims and point out the procedural
absurdity in his logic, he will act as if he had won the argument.

Here is a further example of his twist-doctor management of the
Paragon House publications that he has been involved with and how I
"edited out" the other work he has done. He states: "All of this
information, however, has been edited out by Deja News to create a
false impression that my publishing revolves about Paragon House,
which is not true."

I made no such assertion that he was exclusively published by Paragon
House. And Dejanews' involvement is a figment of Fetzer's paranoid
delusions about who is out to get him. Is dejanews run by "scumsucking
pigs" as he labeled Martin Shackelford? Am I also a "disinformation
agent" as he characterized Martin, with not a shred of evidence other
than the fact that Martin, like myself, is probably just sick and tired
of "experts", like James Fetzer, who present themselves as authorities
on the assassination (who could be more accurately described as
literary quacks who do more harm than good to the "search for truth"?)
The lone nutters have a field day when they see work of the quality
as that presented by Jim Fetzer. The media and public officials rightly
run for cover when they encounter Fetzer and people like him.

And what are the readers of these battles between Fetzer and Shackelford
and Fetzer and Platzman and Fetzer and myslf going to think? They might
just recognize his tactics and determine that his book is probably more
of the same illogical and nonsensical raving. Fetzer asks, "And what
does Geoge (sic) Bush have to do with my books?" The answer is obvious.
Bush claimed that The Washington Times was free of Moonie influence. I
demonstrated in the last post that this was not the case. Fetzer makes
a similar assertion about Paragon House. I showed this to not be the
case (without accusing Fetzer of being aware of this reality). He
now seems to claim that I did just that. This tactic of distorting
the opposing side's argument was continually evident in his debates
with Martin and Howard. Fetzer asserted Martin had not even read his
book when he never claimed he had read anything other than certain
sections which he has commented on. Is there any point to argue with
him about his claims (which have no basis in fact to start with)? I
don't know if these posts have achieved anything other than to make
people wonder about Fetzer's ethics and to question his methodology of
"proof." There may also be some value in setting the record straight.

As to his system of proof described in the chapter titled, "Assassination
Science and the Language of Proof", I want to cite an example of the sheer
absurdity of the logic employed. In a section where he describes Jack
White's "compendium of Zapruder film anomalies" he also lists a guy
Jack mentions named Robert Morningstar, (who is so wacky in his theories
that even the Lancer Z-film panel seems to have excluded him from
participation). Fetzer, in his acceptance of all of this non-evidence
says that,

"If these observations of anomalies are well founded, then the film has
been subject to alteration. These observations of anomalies are well
founded. The film has been subject to alteration."

So, Fetzer claims that, in his opinion, the "observations" are well founded
and therefore concludes, (without any room for doubt), that the Z-film has
been tampered with. None of these "observations" are any more than
conjecture, theory, speculation or in many cases demonstrable falsehood.
And Fetzer's system of proof is so laughable that you wonder how he
had the nerve to present it at all. People have been asking me if I
think you he is an idiot. It is possible, and I am assuming that he will
say I accused him of this as being a certainty - because that is his
pattern of behavior, that he just might be pretending to be an idiot.
Why would I theorize he is acting as if he is dumb and crazy rather
than actually stating with certainty that he is a moronic kook?
I have to say that I have no definitive answer to that.

I could speculate that it is Fetzer who is the disinformation agent, but
then he would probably claim that I stated that I am sure he is, when
I have no idea why he's acting this way or what exactly motivates him. I'll
leave the accusations delivered without certainty of "proof" to Fetzer.

Fetzer states in reference to my own and dejanews' imagined attack on
Fetzer's "freedom of association, freedom of speech, and freedom of
publication" that,

"Something extremely dangerous is going no (sic) here, but it has
little to do with me or my Paragon publications."

Yes, something "dangerous" is going on here. Mr Fetzer has been accepted
in certain academic circles as an "expert". Mr. Fetzer has also been
welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. I don't know why,
but for the sake of his own credibility, (which is rather low, for other,
unrelated reasons), I am merely suggesting that he discontinue his
role as a paid representative of the Moonie agenda. He is not only
resisting this sensible step, but has resorted to his usual tactics
of attacking the messenger, distorting the record, misrepresenting
the intent of any who dare criticize him and continuing to argue
with absurdly wild and unfounded accusations that much more reasonable
and knowledgeable persons such as Martin Shackelford are "disinformation
agents" or "scum sucking pigs"?

Will Fetzer continue to attack with animalistic ferocity, any who commit
the unspeakable heresy of pointing out flaws in his reasoning? You can
bet on it. Will he continue to accept Moonie money? Probably. Am I
going to get flamed with great hostility by him and subjected to
malicious misinterpretations of the things I have said? I expect this.
Will he continue to assert that I am a representative of some anti-cult
faction when I am in fact a researcher who opposes bad work on the JFK
case which makes all of us look like candidates for the nuthouse? I
would guess so. Will he admit that dejanews could care less what I or
anyone else thinks of Uncle Fester and his assassination of science?
I doubt it, but anything is possible, including alteration of the
Z-film. It just remains that it is an extremely unlikely possibility,
and despite the ravings of Fetzer, it has not, by any means, been proven.

Fetzer's last post, which is confusingly merged with paragraphs
from my last post is reprinted below.

What follows is the usual conspiracy cult spam:

> The 13 Feb 1998 post from dxmivi@aol.com, which eventually cites as a
>    source for its allegations about the Moonies "Robert Perry and the Con-
>    sortium" but not the identity of "dxmivi", which I would like to know,
>    represents classic smear tactics of guilt by association. The author
>    has taken a part of a lengthy post that placed my involvement with Par-
>    agon House in perspective and extensively edited it, even to the extent
>    of cutting out the most important sentences found therein. The author
>    also attacks Peter Coveney, who is an outstanding human being and some-
>    one utterly underserving of these gross and immoral assaults. If any-
>    one has been looking for a case study in propagandistic techniques, I
>    offer a pure example from "Deja News". My comments are indented below.
>
>    Jim
>
>    Subject:
>    Fetzer and Moonies
>    Date:
>    Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:01:19 -0600
>    From:
>    dxmivi@aol.com
>    Organization:
>    Deja News Posting Service
>    Newsgroups:
>    alt.conspiracy.jfk
>
>    James Fetzer has supplied additional information about
>    his association with the Moonies. He acknowledges
>    that he knows that the publisher of several of his books,
>    Paragon House, is owned by the Moonies. Jim Fetzer states:
>
>    This paragraph puts a subtle twist on my response, which was open
>    and chock-full of information about my publishing activities, in-
>    cluding two more books for Paragon, ten for Kluwer Academic Pub-
>    lishers (with an eleventh forthcoming), one for Rowman & Allanheld,
>    two forthcoming from Oxford University Press, and of course the new
>    book, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE, from Open Court. It also elaborates
>    upon my editorial work, including co-editing SYNTHESE and editing
>    MINDS AND MACHINES, as well as serving as the series editor of two
>    book series, STUDIES IN COGNITIVE SYSTEMS and EXPLORATIONS IN PHIL-
>    OSOPHY. (See my previous post, "Re: Professor Fetzer & Paragon
>    House" 11 Feb 1998, for more information.) Considering how much
>    more I have published with Kluwer, I would have thought that Deja
>    News would want to investigate them! All of this information, how-
>    ever, has been edited out by Deja News to create a false impression
>    that my publishing revolves about Paragon House, which is not true.
>
>    "With respect to Paragon House, I was initially contacted by two
respected
>    philosophers, John Roth of Claremont Graduate School and Frederick Sontag
>    of Pomona College, who were editing a series of textbooks for undergradu-
>    ates, asking if I might be interested in authoring an introduction to the
>    field of cognitive science. I liked the idea and soon found myself work-
>    ing with an excellent in-house editor, Peter Coveney, now the Executive
>    Editor of M.E. Sharpe, Inc., of Armonk, New York. When I discovered the
>    house was owned by the Moonies, I had a lengthy talk with Peter, who as-
>    sured me that the publishing house was independent of any editorial con-
>    trol from the Moonies."
>
>    George Bush has assured the world that The Washington Times is also
>    independent from editorial control of the Moonies and Sun Myung Moon.
>    As we shall see later in this post, this is obviously not the case.
>    It seems that persons on this news group do not realize the significance
>    of an association with a Moonie-owned propaganda organization. This is
not
>    an exercise in character assassination and there is no intent to imply
>    guilt by association in this message. Jim Fetzer may not realize what
>    it means to be welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors. If
>    he does not, this may serve to enlighten him. If, on the other hand, he
>    knows and does not care, then everyone should view his writings with
>    suspicion, no matter what the subject matter may be.
>
>    I am sure relieved to learn that "This is not an exercise in char-
>    acter assassination and there is no intent to imply guilt by as-
>    sociation in this message"! And what does Geoge Bush have to do
>    with my books? "Jim Fetzer may not realize what it means to be
>    welcomed into the stable of Moonie-endorsed authors." Of course,
>    I have also been welcomed into the stable of Kluwer-endorsed au-
>    thors, of Rowman & Allanheld-endorsed authors, of Oxford Univer-
>    sity Press-endorsed authors, and of Open Court-endorsed authors!
>    So what exactly does that mean in any of these cases? I find it
>    fascinating, moreover, that the quotation from my response to the
>    original Deja News post EDITED OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT SENTENCES:
>
>    "Many publishers and other media outlets are owned by corpora-
>    tions with quite diverse interests, of course, and everyone in
>    a situation like this must decide what to do for themselves. I
>    stayed with Paragon and have now published five Paragon books."
>
>    Here are some examples of the reasoning exemplified in this post:
>    As I understand it, Dominos Pizza is owned by a family that is
>    opposed to abortion and funds anti-abortion activities. Those
>    who order Dominos Pizzas, therefore, must be (conscious or un-
>    conscious) tools of the anti-abortion movement! NBC Television,
>    as I understand it, is owned by General Electric, a corporation
>    that has in the past managed to pay no (or practically no) cor-
>    porate taxes for decades. Those who watch programs on NBC must
>    therefore be (conscious or unconscious) tools of anti-government
>    policies, since without tax revenues, there can be no government!
>
>    Most corporations--related to publishing or not--have diverse in-
>    terests, and each of us must decide what to do in each instance.
>    Special interest (in this case, anti-Moonie) groups seem to have
>    no scruples at all in their efforts to promote their message, even
>    to the extent of advancing baseless smears of American citizens in
>    the exercise of their rights (such as, in this instance, the right
>    to freedom of speech and freedom of the press) when they are not in
>    sufficient agreement with their own narrowly-defined point of view!
>
>    Fetzer says he believed Mr. Coveney's assurances that Paragon House was
>    "independent" of Moonie control. He may believe this, but it is not
>    necessarily true, and just because he says he believes this, does not
>    exclude the possibility that he knows that they are not independent.
There
>    is also the possibility that Coveney was deliberately misleading Fetzer.
>
>    This is a particularly offense example of the propagandistic smear.
>    Peter Coveney is an outstanding human being whom I know very well.
>    My experience is completely consistent with the his assurance that
>    the house is NOT under Moonie EDITORIAL CONTROL. Certainly, in my
>    experience--which has now extended over about ten years--there has
>    been absolutely NO EFFORT by any member of the editorial staff to
>    exert any improper influence of any kind! I have witnessed absolute-
>    ly NO Moonie influence WHATSOEVER regarding any of the books that I
>    have publisher or that others have published in the same book series.
>
>    Let me illustrate how insideous is the line of reasoning that is be-
>    ing used by dxmivi: Mother Teresa says that her work for the poor
>    is intended to further their spiritual well-being. Mother Teresa
>    may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
>    Mother Teresa says she believes this does not exclude the possibil-
>    ity that Mother Teresa knows that this is not the case. There is
>    also the possibility that Mother Teresa is deliberately misleading
>    everyone who receives her posts in order to promote her own agenda.
>    This kind of argument can be used on almost anyone about anything.
>
>    Fetzer also says that he believes that Paragon House is not profitable.
>    He states:
>
>    "Publishing is a mixed bag for the Moonies, as I understand it, however,
>    since Paragon appears to lose money."
>
>    I went on to say, "Our relations have been completely profession-
>    al"! dxmivi could now repeat his argument of before by claiming,
>    Fetzer may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just
>    because Fetzer says he believes this does not exclude the possi-
>    bility that Fetzer knows this is not the case. There is also the
>    possibility that Fetzer is deliberately misleading everyone who
>    may ever receive his posts in order to promote the Moonie agenda!
>    (It must be useful to have all-purpose, off-the-shelf, smears!)
>
>    It can, of course, also be turned on dxmivi. Consider: dxmivi
>    says this is not an exercise in character assassination and there
>    is no intent to imply guilt by association in this message. He
>    may believe this, but it is not necessarily true, and just because
>    dxmivi says he believes this does not exclude the possibility that
>    he knows that this is untrue. There is also the possibility that
>    dxmivi is deliberately misleading everyone who receives his posts.
>
>    If Paragon House looses money, that does not mean that it isn't worth
>    the loss, if it furthers the propaganda purposes of the Moonie cult.
>    It also may be a useful write-off for the Moon organization, if it is
>    a money looser. If it does make money, and Fetzer seems uncertain about
>    this, it supports the cult and its "goals" with its financial gains.
>
>    Great! If it makes money, then that's good for the Moonies, and
>    if it loses money, then that's good for the Moonies, too! So no
>    matter what the situation, it must be good for the Moonies! All
>    I can say--and I am not the Paragon House accountant, so I cannot
>    make assertions with certainty--is that my experience with Para-
>    gon House suggests to me that Paragon is, in fact, a money loser.
>
>    Let's look at the circumstances of the acquisition of Paragon House by
>    the Moonies. The following excerpt was taken from:
>    http://WWW.PWPA.ORG/Congress/1stcong.html
>
>    Here followed an extremely long message about the Moonies that
>    I have deleted insofar as it has nothing to do with me, except
>    insofar as I am not conforming to the expressed wishes and de-
>    sired of dxmivi and Deja News! They are attacking me because
>    I am not doing what they want me to do! My freedom of associ-
>    ation, freedom of speech, and freedom of publication are under
>    assault! When they are done with me, they will come for you!
>
>    Jim Fetzer has been selected to be part of the Moonie information
>    machine. He may not know how evil Rev. Moon is. He may think that
>    Paragon House is free from control, but that is not the case. Every
>    author who is selected and invited to write for them is seen as an
>    integral part of the Moonie agenda. I will not accuse Fetzer of
>    deliberately and knowingly furthering that agenda, but, if he has any
>    conscience, he will immediately disassociate himself from their efforts
>    to "create a just and harmonious world order" (Moon's words).
>
>    He should break away from Moon's "vision" that "included the creation
>    of a worldwide publishing program, of which Paragon House Publishers
>    has become the center of this effort." (Quote from Moonie site).
>
>    Our thanks to Robert Parry and the Consortium, where much of this
>    material exposing the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Professors World Peace
>    Academy, International Cultural Foundation and Paragon House was found.
>    Visit them at: http://www.delve.com/consort.html
>
>    -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
>    http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>
>    Just think about it! I am a university professor with tenure
>    who is paid to conduct teaching and research on the basis of
>    my best scholarly abilities. If I were now to kowtow to the
>    self-serving demands of dxmivi and Deja News, it would repre-
>    sent the abdication of every principle of academic freedom
>    for which higher education in the United States is supposed
>    to stand. I cannot abide a narrow special interest group of
>    this kind deliberately subjecting American citizens to slan-
>    derous attacks for exercising their Constitutional freedoms
>    and rights! Something extremely dangerous is going no here,
>    but it has little to do with me or my Paragon publications.
>
>    Jim
>
>    James H. Fetzer
>    McKnight Professor
>    University of Minnesota
>    Duluth, MN 55812
>    jfetzer@d.umn.edu

-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

WHATEVER.

Maybe it was a fluke a Moonie front published Fetzer's work, but we doubt it; since then he's used Open Court , who we hope will reconsider future trade from Fetzer the conspiracy cult clown conman.

James Fetzer = Nutjob
Keep in mind...this is before the "twoof":

James Fetzer = Nutjob

Mr Skeptic Dec 22 2002, 3:00 am

This Fetzer character must have smoked way too much dope or dropped too
much acid in the 60's. He's accusing everybody who calls into Coast to
Coast a CIA agent if they disagree with him on the death of Senator
Wellstone. Ian's having a helluva time reigning this clown in.

Fetzers gotta be the biggest laugh riot since Nancy Lieder and her
Planet X bullshit.

Mr. Skeptic

Kevin J Roverud
Dec 22 2002, 3:09 am
In article <3e058ce4$0$17652$2c3e9...@news.voyager.net>,
Mr Skeptic wrote:

>This Fetzer character must have smoked way too much dope or dropped too
>much acid in the 60's. He's accusing everybody who calls into Coast to
>Coast a CIA agent if they disagree with him on the death of Senator
>Wellstone. Ian's having a helluva time reigning this clown in.

>Fetzers gotta be the biggest laugh riot since Nancy Lieder and her
>Planet X bullshit.

>Mr. Skeptic

I just heard him say that the Paul Wellstone crash was an assassination. Several
callers argued the validity of this claim, including a pilot who knew about the
plane, knew the co-pilot and spoken to people in the area when the crash happened.
He is clearly insane, he would question everything. Even the host, Ian Punnet was
saying he was bullshit.

oh my god, this guy is a professor at umn-duluth. fuck those people, gophers 4 eva

--
rove0...@umn.edu

BunnERabbit
Dec 22 2002, 12:45 pm

misterskep...@everythingiscrap.org (Mr Skeptic), Wrote:

>This Fetzer character must have smoked way
>too much dope or dropped too much acid in the
>60's. He's accusing everybody who calls into
>Coast to Coast a CIA agent if they disagree
>with him on the death of Senator Wellstone.
>Ian's having a helluva time reigning this clown
>in.

After when the numbnuts confronted with the weather issue started
ranting something about 'microwaves' from the conspirators being the
catalyst for instrument error.

>Fetzers gotta be the biggest laugh riot since
>Nancy Lieder and her Planet X bullshit.

Just another sycophant Leftist gone mad. The sick obsession with the
politics of us vs. them rather than the nobel quality of articulating
ones
position on issues that would make our country better. IIRC, soon after
Sen. Wellstone's untimely death many were contemplating such kookyness
and they weren't guests on coast to coast but elected officials and
journalists. And I thought the goofy Right was a bit too persistent in
their Vince Foster theories. What's next, Trent Lott an Alien?

--
Keith

John McAdams
Dec 22 2002, 9:50 pm
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:55:59 -0500, Mr Skeptic

wrote:
>This Fetzer character must have smoked way too much dope or dropped too
>much acid in the 60's. He's accusing everybody who calls into Coast to
>Coast a CIA agent if they disagree with him on the death of Senator
>Wellstone. Ian's having a helluva time reigning this clown in.

Let me see if I understand this. He was on a radio show called "Coast
to Coast" and he was calling people who phoned in an disagreed with
him CIA agents?

>Fetzers gotta be the biggest laugh riot since Nancy Lieder and her
>Planet X bullshit.

His JFK assassination stuff is wacky enough.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/logic.htm#fetzer

.John

Martin Shackelford

Dec 23 2002, 9:51 pm

I've always considered him an exploiter of the work of others, and
something of a P.T. Barnum of the research community.

Martin

NAILED IT.

Fetzer's association with the group virtually confirms they' re all bullshit artists. Fetzer isn't so much thrown out of the JFK'ers as he is ostracized before drifting away to push his "the driver did it" theory. We welcome stories about Fetzer from JFK'ers.

9/11 "Truth"

Scam petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/911tvfak/signatures?page=1

Online petitions are problematic for the best of causes:

I am often asked if such petitions have any value. Well, in my opinion, they are completely worthless. Here's why:

Name lists on email petitions are very easy to forge:
Very often, to "sign" an email petition you simply add your name and perhaps some geographic information such as the name of the city you live in. However, the person targeted by the petition has no way of knowing if the names are genuine. It would be exceptionally easy for a person to make up lists of bogus names or even copy and paste names from other sources. For example, an enterprising armchair activist could copy whole lists of names from unrelated email petitions and add them to his or her petition before forwarding it. In fact, a person who cared strongly about a particular issue could add hundreds of names to an email petition with very little work.

This forgery factor is a major reason why people such as government officials who are the intended target of email petitions are quite unlikely to give them much credence. Normally, there is no viable way for the recipient of the petition to verify names on the list. Nor can it be determined whether a list was signed by the person named or added without his or her consent. Regardless of the medium used, a credible petition must contain verifiable information about those who sign it.

Privacy and security issues:
Occasionally email petitions do ask recipients for more details such as an email address or even a street address. While this might give more credence to the petition, it is also a quite unacceptable security risk. An email petition could end up anywhere, including the inboxes of spammers or fraudsters. Adding personal information such as a full name and street address to any email that is likely to be forwarded is an unsafe practice.

Email petitions often contain false or outdated information:
Another serious problem with email petitions is that the cause they are protesting against may not even be valid. Email petitions are often based on misinformation. A classic example is the long running bonsai kittens petition. This email calls for the authorities to stop the practice of creating "bonsai kittens". Supposedly, creating a bonsai kitten involves thrusting a living cat into a glass jar to restrict its growth. While such a horrible practice would certainly be worthy of protest, bonsai kittens are nothing more than an urban myth. No one is making bonsai kittens. The story derives from a satirical website that has bonsai kittens as its subject.

Another popular email petition protests against the imminent release of the boys who killed toddler Jamie Bulger. While this was a true case, the petition is hopelessly outdated. These boys were released several years ago, so the continued circulation of the message is simply a waste of bandwidth. There are many other examples. Email petitions can continue to circulate and collect names long after the cause in question has become irrelevant. Indeed, if the petition was originally based on a false premise, it may have never been relevant.

Email petitions may never reach their target:
A lot of email petitions instruct you to forward the petition to a specific email address once the list reaches a given number of names. This might be the email address of a politician or an organization related to the cause in question. However, there is no guarantee that anybody in authority will actually get to view the petition. If the same petition emails, albeit with different names included, are being repeatedly sent to a government department or other large organization I think there is a good chance that they will be simply deleted before they are read.

Also, the email address provided in the petition may not be valid because it was incorrectly transcribed, it has been changed during subsequent forwarding, or it has been disabled. This means that the compiled list of names will bounce and never reach its target.

Amazingly, some email petitions have no specific target at all. In 2002, a vague email protesting racism was signed and forward by many people around the world even though it did not specify any particular person or organization as the target of the petition. The petition simply circulated aimlessly around cyberspace collecting names for no good reason.

Email petitions can be counter productive:
A more subtle danger of email petitions is that they can effectively defang a person's desire to take constructive action concerning a cause they believe in. The almost too simple act of "signing" and forwarding an email petition can give the sender a false sense of having "done" something to help "the cause" and they may be less likely to become involved in more worthwhile approaches to the problem at hand.

In summary, think twice about "signing" and forwarding email petitions. There are much more effective ways of bringing attention to a problem and registering your protest. You could contact a relevant person directly and outline your grievances. You could also write Letters to the Editor, start a legitimate petition or even organize a demonstration, to name just a few options.

If you still feel that signing and sending an email petition is worth the effort, then at least take the time to check if the information in the email is actually factual and current before proceeding.

As worthless as they may be as a political tool, online petitions are golden for following the history of the 911 conspiracy con and it's promoters.

This one was started by an org called "Scholars for 9/11 Truth", founded by Fetzer and a couple other cult loons, with the laughable purpose of :

Petition to Scholars for 9/11 Truth to release a scientific paper at journalof911studies.com to inform the public on the findings of "9/11TVfakery"/"no planes-forensic evidence".

It continues:

We the undersigned demand the release of a paper at the new website of 9/11 Scholars.

This paper, currently prepared by 9/11 Scholar members, will point out on the evidence of manipulated live- and not live produced footage of the second attack on the South Tower (September 11, 2001).

The findings will present, whether the TV Broadcast was fabricated and manipulated and obviously did not include a real commercial plane, but a graphic computer generated "aircraft silhouette", inserted into the footage.

We urge a public debate on these findings which also support the forensic evidence against commercial aircraft having crashed into the South Tower.

We also explain, why these findings support the evidence of controlled demolition regarding North Tower and South Tower.

The public should be informed on this evidence and come to their own conclusion, which should not be dictated by any public 9/11 activist group.

So far the importance of these findings was recently expressed by several 9/11 scholars, not necessarily connected to any public PR campaign or research on that matter:

1 Alexander L. Dent, 2 David Gabbard, 3 Michael Morrissey, 4 Morgan Reynolds, 5 Morgan Stack, 6 Webster Griffin Tarpley, 7 Judy Wood, 8 Fred Burk (undecided), 9 Alex Floum, 10 Cathy Garger (undecided), 11 John Leonard (undecided), 12 Brad Mayeux , 13 Peter Meyer, 14 Rick Siegel, 15 Rick Rajter, 16 Veronica Chapman

We the undersigned furthermore demand that the public should urge pressure on U.S. Television Networks, including ABC7, FOX 5 (which provided the only known live available feed) to release unedited, uncropped and unaltered footage from the second attack, including the names of all connected camera operators and helicopter pilots.

Additional Sources:

http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com
http://911closeup.com/nico
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes
http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html
http://www.fooledagainon911.com
http://www.archive.org/details/911-Chronology-Source
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/
http://www.archive.org/details/911-Chronology-Source
http://www.911hoax.com/

Amazingly it gathered 289 signatures, including a handful of cult victims and righty loons:

Nico Haupt

Comments

911tvfakery.blogspot.com -May the unorwellianized truth with us

Rosalee Grable

Comments

stop the coverup!!

amy sasser

Brad Mayeux

Comments

after years of researching these videos, i believe many of them were altered or faked www.911review.org

malaprop aka izzy

Comments

Would like an estimate of the mass of the bldg., (each) 5-piece panel weighed 7 tons) vs. mass of a 767 @ 500 mph Impossible to go thru..

Scott Loughrey

Comments

911Hoax.com

Andrew Johnson

Comments

Some pretty keen minds have looked at the evidence and perpertating the hoax would be easier using the least number of real planes - whatever that number might be. Let the evidence be presented and freely debated. It is important.

seatnineb

Alex Constantine

Comments

Whatever the explanation for cooking the video evidence, if this occurred, the allegations should be exlored by trained specialists in a peer review manner and either confirmed or disproven. ALL evidence related to 9/11 should be examined and evaluated, or the atrocities will never be completely undertstood.

Rick Rajter

Comments

This issue needs to be resolved, REGARDLESS of how people "feel" about it. The truth matters first and foremost. Let the chips fall where they may.

Marsha McClelland

Comments

All the evidence needs researched

Steven E. Jones

Comments

I have no objection to such a paper, as long as: 1. It confronts the evidence such as published reports and photos of plane debris, from the WTC 2 hit; 2- Confronts the radar evidence for real planes at/near WTC on 9/11; 3- Confronts evidence from the oscillatory motion of WTC2 following the 'hit by a jet', showing that it was indeed hit by a high-momentum object 4-- confronts evidence for deceleration of the plane (the amount of the deceleration can be argued -- but it is clearly NOT zero) 5 -- the paper is peer-reviewed.

Judy Wood

Fred R. Saluga

Comments

None

Craig Hill, candidate for US Senate in Vt

Comments

I am far from convinced, if the evidence can convince. But censorship is not a good idea. If the evidence presented is reasonably scrutinized and found lacking, the matter will be closed. If the evidence is found to be accurate, so be it. My own opinion is that this is overblown diversion, that it adds nothing to the fact of the treason. No explanation has ever been offered as to why faked video is supposedly so important that it changes anything. We know for example of 100s of govt photoshopped Pentagon stills, which does not alter the fact the govt, with the aid of the media and the cover of the opposition party that will not oppose, attacked its own people. But i'm sure good minds can come to a speedy and honest appraisal, announce those findings and move on. So let's spend the minimum time necessary to come to a definitive conclusion, and may the chips fall where they may. I don't believe this will take an inordinate amount of time or energy, and may provide us all with salubrious comic relief.

Lynn Ertell

Comments

Media perps are accessories to murder, RICO and treason. Hold them accountable.

Elisabeth Grossberg

Comments

u2r2h wishes you success. Remember: A successful deception hides an UNBELIEVABLE TRUTH and presents a BELIEVABLE LIE.

The petition isn't dated, but it's linked to in a James Randi Forum thread from 2006:

6th October 2006, 12:19 PM alexg

sample sigs from the tv fakery petition

PLEASE NOTE: I strongly suggest you are not sitting in front of your monitor with a mouthfull of liquid when you read what follows.

here's just the last 20 or so. Sig then comment. And no, I didn't make these up!

114.The TeletubbiesAre you co*ksuckers out of your f*cking god*amn minds? Time for Tubbie Custard!
113.Mrs. BoyTimmy? Timmy! Has anyone seen Timmy?
112.Ima KookYou know you've hit rock bottom when you have to petition to have your paper accepted on a junk science journal with basement-level standards.

Pretty much confirming Hoax-slayer's point that these petitions are worthless except as lulz magnets.

[under construction]

Fetzer Pimps Greg "Ozzy" Thomson's Humphrey/Harley Guy Hoax

At Fetzer's Ning group no less:

The latest on "The Harley Guy" . . .

Posted by James H. Fetzer on April 17, 2011 at 11:44am

Please go here - http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/2009/05/mark-adrian-humphrey-actor-is-harley.html for a rather complete blogger analysis of Mark Humphrey as being one and the same as the ‘Harley Man’ in the video.

The open questions for me in all of this has to do with properly ID'ing who the actors are as opposed to who the government agents are. I suspect they play both roles much in the same manner as we see on national TV with many well known and well respected News Broadcasters - members of CFR - whose primary allegiance is to the CIA...........

He is ALSO the same guy who was a witness of the aircraft strike at the Pentagon. It was a witness description via telephone link on CNN or Fox on 9/11 or 9/12... I remember thinking WOW, THE SAME DISTINCTIVE VOICE AS THE HARLEY GUY... he is a busy boy.

This comparison, I believe, tends to confirm the voice match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lafL2YEmi08

“This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Mark Adrian Humphrey. Sorry about that.”

But, all attempts for research on uTube are met with the above comments. This has happened several times on any uTube search of the subject.

For example – soon after intensive investigation had begun on this topic - Mark Adrian Humphrey successfully claimed copyright infringement on the original FOX news footage in which he denies playing any role! How is that possible? Why would he now want this clip to vanish?

Below are listed just a few of many youtube accounts that have been suspended for exposing shill actor Mark Humphrey as the ‘Harley man’: This is 2009 – there are more suspensions to come I am sure.

911 Alerted, 911Nightmare, Nine11Twelve, Zhagarim, DoctorSeptember, Bushlied911, Xenomorph911thenopl, 911TruthFactory, Xenomorph911Shill, 911 Light, Noplanetheory

Over a year, still hasn't retracted. Fetzer KNEW it was a lie because Mark Walsh was id'd in Nov 2010, in this video, 5 months BEFORE Fetzer's blog post.

Fetzer: just another lying cult ho conartist douchebag.

Snake-oil roadshow in June 2012:

COMING to SEATTLE - JUNE 13th
Dr. James Fetzer, founder of
Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Wednesday, June 13, 2012
7:00pm to 9:00pm
University Heights Community Center
5031 University Way NE
Seattle WA 98105

Admission: FREE

Dr. Fetzer will give an illustrated talk. Topic: "Were Even the 9/11 Flights Fabricated?"

This event was thwarted by those nefarious New World Order thugs:

BOMB THREAT DRAMA MOVED TO SCAM PAGE > HERE

Friends is Holocaust Denial

John Friend is a very "special" friend of Fetzer, so "special" he's convinced he has proof the Jews did it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catapultthenwopolicestatedepopulation/message/32520

Jew admits "Holocaust" is a fraud and a PSYOP

Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:39 am

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Graffis

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:10 AM

Subject: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Jew admits "Holocaust" is a fraud and a PSYOP

http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/jew-admits-holocaust-is-fraud-and-psyop.html

Cuz if you can get 1 Jew in millions to admit it, it must be true.

Fetzer's Friend really is special.

For Moron Fetzer's Holocaust Denial, read about his promotion of Rediscover911.com:

http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/02/american-free-press-and-jim-fetzer.html

About this blog

Resource and warning about the ongoing scam known as the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance.

For years this group has fleeced activists in the Portland, Oregon area for cash and labor, under false pretenses. They have connections to racists, cultists and police informers. When things go bad for them, they go quiet for a few months, then start up with a new batch of dupes. Disloyalty is punished with fairgame style bullying tactics. Click here for more on how the group operates.

Contacting anyone in the group for rational dialog is impossible so don't bother. Their lawyer will ignore you or spread lies and encourage followers to do the same. Herein is information anyone needs to check against their ever changing "stories".

PORTLAND, OR is only one chapter of the 911 Truth Alliance. There were chapters all over the USA. Some were dissolved, others renamed to (insert location)for911TRUTH. The same cultlike bullshit is going on in all of them.

People profiled are members or associates who:

-endorse the group and support it financially,
-recruit members knowing it's a con,
-protect and defend the con artists
-spread lies
-trade in confidential information
-engage in harassment
-and/or encourage others to do any or all of the above.

The Portland 911 truth Alliance (and collective fronts) will, like most cults, blame the usual list of suspects, never stopping to think if they hadn't conned anyone in the first place no one would give a shit.

To dispute the information herein or make a hypocritical demand for its removal, try sending an email to:

totellthetruth85@yahoo.com

All concerns will be treated with the same prompt attention the Portland 911 Truth Alliance has demonstrated in the face of past complaints.

*crickets*

We hate Nazis, Racists and Cults. Don't like it?

GTFO

Saturday, June 30, 2012

SCAM: Yet another BOMB THREAT OMG BOMB THREAT

Bomb Threat At 9/11 Vancouver Hearings!!

Denman Cinemas

Wednesday, June 13, 2012

SCAM: Bomb Threat Makes 9/11 Truth Activist Cancel Speech

Cubby Leeposted toKim Kardashian

June 13, 2012 7:00 PM. 20 attended.

EVENT RELOCATED - Dr James Fetzer's Presentation

Thursday, March 8, 2012

Fritz Springmeier

FBI probes alleged threat to officer

Man tied to extremists reportedly sent letter in ‘97 seeking information on cop

Grand jury indicts two in 1997 bank robbery

The Oregonian/February 13, 2002
Stuart Tomlinson

Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Jim Fetzer

Group Members and Associates

Media

Wikileaks

Nazi Leaks

Saturday, June 30, 2012

SCAM: Yet another BOMB THREAT OMG BOMB THREAT

Bomb Threat At 9/11 Vancouver Hearings!!

Denman Cinemas

Wednesday, June 13, 2012

SCAM: Bomb Threat Makes 9/11 Truth Activist Cancel Speech

Cubby Leeposted toKim Kardashian

June 13, 2012 7:00 PM. 20 attended.

EVENT RELOCATED - Dr James Fetzer's Presentation

Thursday, March 8, 2012

Fritz Springmeier

FBI probes alleged threat to officer

Man tied to extremists reportedly sent letter in ‘97 seeking information on cop

Grand jury indicts two in 1997 bank robbery

The Oregonian/February 13, 2002 Stuart Tomlinson

Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Jim Fetzer

Wikileaks

Nazi Leaks

The Oregonian/February 13, 2002
Stuart Tomlinson