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Thursday, June 28, 2012

Craig "Killtown" Lazo:[KEEP PRIVATE] Threatening article posted @cyprus.indymedia

This>  [KEEP PRIVATE] Threatening article posted @ cyprus.indymedia by a cyberstalker < was the title of a lulzy email Lazo sent to Evdokas' Cyprus IMC list using Lazo's "Killtown" email:
 [Imc-cyprus] [KEEP PRIVATE] Threatening article posted @ cyprus.indymedia by a cyberstalker
 Killtown killtown at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 28 13:35:05 PDT 2012

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Hello,

A cyberstalker has posted this threatening and slanderous article:

http://cyprus.indymedia.org/node/113

Please remove.  Thanks.

KT

  
  
  
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What Lazo doesn't know is Evdokas already invented the story about White House Agents to cover the fact Evdokas is a STRATFOR informant organizing with Holocaust deniers, and nothing, not even Lazo's rep, is going to make Evdokas change that story.

Evdokas replies with the usual tl;dr fib ridden spam, sucking up to Lazo for good measure, and pretending to be communicating with Lazo for the first time:

Hello,

My name is Petros Evdokas, I'm a member of the Cyprus IndyMedia 
Editorial Collective and one of the people who were publicly named and 
threatened in the article about which you wrote to us.

Thank you for your letter. Please take into consideration the following:

o- Your letter was addressed to a public list that places all letters 
automatically on an open archive. For reasons related to direct 
democracy and transparency, member groups of IndyMedia are bound by the 
rules of the organization to maintain public records of our transactions 
and correspondence except of course in cases where a person's private, 
personal, or sensitive information might be revealed, or in cases where 
codes, passwords, etc. might need to be protected.

If there's a need for further private contact please write to me at:
petros at cyprus-org.net

As things stand now, your pen-name "killtown" reveals nothing, your 
email address is already public, and there is no reason to keep secret 
your request to remove the article. In fact, because we are accountable 
to a large number of people for every removal we consider, these 
deliberations must be kept in the public light as much as possible.


o- The article in question mentions the word "killtown" in passing. The 
sentence in which it occurs is not even threatening (and primarily, 
makes no sense!)


o- Our Editorial Collective, in consultation with people who were 
*actually named and threatened* by the article in question, concluded 
that there's more value in exposing the cyberstalkers and the political 
origin of those threats and of all such published materials. Which we 
did via the Editorial Comment below the article, titled
"From the Editorial Collective: Who Ordered this Material to be Published?"

We believe that this response is far more useful, politically, to the 
9/11 Truth Movement and to the wider global Liberation Movement, than a 
simple deletion of the semi-unintelligible article published by those 
who wish to harass us.

I hope you will read our Editorial response again, and rethink your 
impulse to suggest its removal.


o- As you yourself have published, letters originating from your address 
are questionable. In your article titled
"Someone is impersonating me with hate emails"
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/03/someone-is-impersonating-me-with-hate.html
you inform the readers that some of your enemies are using special 
technology to send letters appearing to be from you, with dubious or 
insulting contents. I suspect that the letter above that we received 
from your address might be one of those.

It is not clear in your article if you have control of incoming mail, so 
I'm not even sure you will receive this reply, or if it will be 
intercepted and deleted or further utilized by your enemies, but that is 
really beyond the scope of what our group can do for you.

But this brings out another feature of this correspondence between us. 
It seems to me that you, publishing under the name of "killtown", have 
exhibited far more intelligence about the politics of 9/11 than what is 
in this letter supposedly mailed by you. One does not have to agree with 
you to see that you are very intelligent where it concerns politics and 
especially 9/11 Truth issues. I do not agree with your thesis that 
supposedly no planes were used to hit the World Trade Center (WTC), as 
you suggest here:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-they-didnt-use-planes-to-hit-wtc.html 

but I acknowledge the intelligence of the author even if I disagree.

Therefore the letter above which is supposedly from you, is further 
suspect because it contains two elements that would not originate from 
an intelligent person:
1. a request to hide the article, even though the Editorial Collective 
has effectively disarmed the cyberstalkers, revealing that they are
part of a US White House disinformation and propaganda office;
and,
2. a suggestion to "keep private" the request to hide the article.

Neither of these would originate from an author who has shown so much 
political intelligence on other matters. Both of the above suggestions 
would most likely originate from the cyberstalkers and their White House 
allies rather than an intelligent 9/11 Truth activist.


o- I would invite you to register with our website and add your own 
comments to the article, and help us to further expose and discredit 
those cyberstalkers and their murderous protectors. Registering is free, 
quick and easy - more info here:
http://cyprus.indymedia.org/node/4534


o- Your article on the murder of Suzanne Jovin, titled
"Yale student's '98 murder linked to 9/11?"
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/01/yale-students-98-murder-linked-to-911.html
is brilliant. Despite the fact that we disagree on whether planes hit 
the WTC or not, we agree that we have common enemies, that they are 
ruthless, and that they have a degree of intelligence (no pun intended) 
that is wrapped inside many levels of secrets, enigmas and puzzles. Your 
article illustrates that very well, and *exposes* them for it.

So let's not underestimate them and pretend that they'll "go away" by 
removing one of their propaganda and harassment items. Their work needs 
to be exposed, bit by bit, as you do in your articles.


I would invite you to send us your thoughts and any other feedback 
either directly to our list, or by publishing them on our pages, or by 
writing to me privately.

Thank you very much,
Petros Evdokas, petros at cyprus-org.net
______________________________
 The article in question:

ATTENTION PETROS EVDOKAS

{Please See the comment from the Editorial Collective, below}
As funny as it is watching your friend Glenn Goldman make excuses for your creepy Portland 911 group on indymedia
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/02/413910.shtml?discuss
its not solving the problems the you help make, many of them using Glenn Goldman's ISP:

{Editor's Warning: we have ascertained that the owner of the website below takes the ip numbers of visitors and uses them to entrap visitors, embroiling them in accusations similar to those in this article. Please be advised that by visiting this link you are taking a risk.}

emailsfromeegits.blogspot.com/

Someone already came forward in indy comments and exposed your mutual scam with Tim Titrud:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml#396802

{Editor's Warning: we have ascertained that the owner of the website below takes the ip numbers of visitors and uses them to entrap visitors, embroiling them in accusations similar to those in this article. Please be advised that by visiting this link you are taking a risk.}


3.bp.blogspot.com/-w7xT6vucOfA/TmckzJP1IVI/AAAAAAAAAB0/WiXXh0TI5EU/s1600/petrostim.jpg


http://portland.indymedia.org/icon/2012/02/413955.jpg


so there's no point in keeping the facade up.  But there IS a point in removing all the stuff about people you know you used without consent: no one on the internet has to know how bad your sleazy little operation is.   

Since Glenn Goldman somewhat stupidly suggested people make  a blog about it:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/02/413910.shtml?discuss#397050

that just might happen.   OR...

contact your people and delete all the blogs, websites, yahoogroup post, indymedia articles with information posted at Craig Lazo's 'Killtown' blog, various blogs set up by Jennifer Wynhausen, posts in various places by your friends, Lamadrid, Cohen, Ginny Ross, and Goldman, all of "Spiney's" blogs on the subject, and anyone else using information your group and associates collected from people, on or offline, under false pretenses, and was in part, with your knowledge, given to suspected pedophiles to make creepy videos. 

ITS KNOWN YOU PEOPLE ARE IN CONTACT BECAUSE NEW LIES GET SPREAD REGULARLY BY YOUR SAME GROUP OF LOSERS NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT BACKFIRES

The last time it happened Craig Lazo lost his facebook account for republishing Sara Lamadrid's lies...remember?  The time before that Craig Lazo lost his entire forum.   All this work to avoid removing shit you shouldn't have used in the first place....using Glenn Goldman's ISP.  You people are very stupid.


Glenn Goldman's life could get very interesting: how many clients want to confide in someone working with a network of scam artists?

You're obviously liars and possibly criminals but no one really cares as long as it all GOES AWAY.  

GET BUSY.

ps.  Feel free to call the cops.   That will be an interesting conversation..."Yeah we did trick people into joining our groups by lying to them and sharing their info with racists without their knowledge, why do you ask? What do you mean, I can't come back to the USA anymore?"  

To everyone else at Cyprus Indy: sorry if your bubble about Petros has been burst.  The truth hurts.  Whatever he is, he's a liar, a backstabber and will feed your info to internet stalkers, fyi.  Of course, since he owns the website(something he kept quiet about along with his cooridination with the American Holocaust deniers that he pretends to be fighting), I expect this will disapear before long....

LOL


 So much pwnage, so little time....

Giving Evdokas credit for ballsy cluelessness, he didn't delete the article.....instead he thinks he's going to use it as proof the White House is out to get him>  SEE MOAR HERE

 But it's the "editorial notes" that are the funniest:
{Editor's Warning: we have ascertained that the owner of the website below takes the ip numbers of visitors and uses them to entrap visitors, embroiling them in accusations similar to those in this article. Please be advised that by visiting this link you are taking a risk.}
Given these are the two websites that Evdokas is warning readers about:

emailsfromeegits.blogspot.com/
http://portland.indymedia.org

 The only people he could be worried about are from the Portland IMC and his creepy friends mentioned in the "emails from eegits" blog.   

The most recent post does have an IP attributed to Lazo:
 This image is a collection of lies pushed by your user "killtown", whose real name is Craig Lazo; his most commonly used IP address is currently 67.188.178.150.
But nowhere does it say it's from Lazo visiting that blog.  In another post there's a reference Lamadrid would have know Lazo's IP:
This can be proven a lie because while Lazo posted at the website Casseia modderated he was in Portland and she would have know that by his IP address, as would the webmaster:
Lazo's IP from the Inside Jobbers list is there:

[911InsideJobbers] Q&A with 'September Clues' maker at 911movement.org
Wednesday, November 7, 2007 3:45 PM
From killtown Wed Nov 7 15:45:30 2007

X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.198.1.246
X-Sender: killtown@yahoo.com
X-Apparently-To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
From:
"killtown"
And from another email:
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:58:50 -0800

Received: from [71.236.149.253]
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:58:50 -0800 (PST)

From: Killtown
Which matched his gf's lol:

X-SID-PRA: Jennifer Wynhausen jwynhausen@xxxx.com

Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:41:41 -0700

X-Originating-IP: [71.236.149.253]
From: Jennifer Wynhausen [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
 There's a screen of Lazo's killtown.911review.org website[hacked before?] confirming this IP was his and shared by Wynhausen:

from email/eegits blog
But nothing that proves the IP's posted at the Emails from Eegits blog are from visitors of that blog.  The IP's are from Yahoo group emails and Lazo's own website, but NOT from the blog.

Evdokas is just pulling shit out of his ass...and he's got more where that came from:

"Hello,

My name is Petros Evdokas, I'm a member of the Cyprus IndyMedia 
Editorial Collective and one of the people who were publicly named and 
threatened in the article about which you wrote to us."
 
 
This isn't the first time Evdokas has pretended to be threatened and played dumb about "Killtown" . 
In 2008 the KSA blog caught Evdokas lying about his Killtown connections.  From the screen of a comment apparently never published, Evdokas prevaricates:

The response by the owners of this website above show that :
-they have understood clearly that the threatening tone of the page toward me and my friend Sara is inappropriate, in fact it is upsetting and is scaring us.
-they persist to "justify" the threats with irrational topsy-turvy arguments of some campaign that is entirely irrelevant to us(in fact, incomprehensible);
-they continue to threat us
BAWWWWL, poor baby!  Pity KSA didn't stick around long enough to catch Evdokas organizing with Holocaust denier Titrud...which is the REAL reason Evdokas broke this image link at Cyprus Indymedia:
 3.bp.blogspot.com/-w7xT6vucOfA/TmckzJP1IVI/AAAAAAAAAB0/WiXXh0TI5EU/s1600/petrostim.jpg

What the KSA website owners actually said:

PETROS EVDOKAS
WE HAVE A QUESTION
DO YOU KNOW WHAT 
KILLTOWN WRITES ABOUT PEOPLE?
 It get's moar lulzy.    After Evdokas sez the nonexistent threats are because of a campaign that's "irrelevant to us(in fact, incomprehensible", implying he doesn't know about "Killtown" or his forum,  Evdokas is CAUGHT linking from Lazo's 911movement.org forum:

Screens from KSA: 
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzqQHEjeHtfITDSKURbirpRzisuQwIQ6hSXO5J9ItI8noy4nYomH7EUhlq8Tu6ZI1fheN2XjooH4ckCAil0fDX5OYIvVATyMxHbdogBTJxhDY40k_NXhwksU2NauUxwRnPcmESteOMsL4/s1600-h/petros_visits_1x.JPG
 https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7x_ru-poutUrQWeUoyimDvPBi_AwdYKVUDmmwJkEpkFKCBCk_fuPJgFrlQsagwnmV1dp8KxYRvcPQmTyhwj7cv2hx4TN-jxwmDWJABtZfyjeMPJAiUtKDM-2BK4amDi4qmkrrOdI7Ge0/s1600-h/petros_visits_2X.JPG

Evdokas linked from 911movement.org on July 8, 2008 and spent time looking up Lazo's bud Brian McManus.   Then Evdokas seemed to be coordinating with people[possibly Lazo] by email. 

Oh the fail, it hurts.   But one reference ATTENTION PETROS EVDOKAS makes is explained:
All this work to avoid removing shit you shouldn't have used in the first place....using Glenn Goldman's ISP.  You people are very stupid.
At a guess, Evdokas might have been using this IP when communicating with KSA, making it:
71-xxx-xxx-xxx-ptld.quest.net
If it is/was Goldman's ISP, that would be some serious kim chee...  Evdokas demands to know what KSA's "game is" and what their motives are...even though it's fucking obvious from the blog they have it out for "Killtown":
About this blog
This blog is the product of information donated by the many people Killtown has attacked over the years.
Derp.
Back to Evdokas patty-cake fest with Lazo at Cyprus IMC:

o- Your letter was addressed to a public list that places all letters 
automatically on an open archive. 

LOL.   Lazo is too dumb for words. 

o- Our Editorial Collective, in consultation with people who were 
*actually named and threatened* by the article in question, concluded 
that there's more value in exposing the cyberstalkers and the political 
origin of those threats and of all such published materials. Which we 
did via the Editorial Comment below the article, titled
"From the Editorial Collective: Who Ordered this Material to be Published?"

Sorry, Lazo!  Evdokas is sticking to the White House/Sunstein story!  The Evdokas suggests Lazo's email is hacked:

o- As you yourself have published, letters originating from your address 
are questionable. In your article titled
"Someone is impersonating me with hate emails"
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/03/someone-is-impersonating-me-with-hate.html
you inform the readers that some of your enemies are using special 
technology to send letters appearing to be from you, with dubious or 
insulting contents. I suspect that the letter above that we received 
from your address might be one of those.

Of course it's a conspiracy...instead of the more likely explanation: someone caught Lazo sending creepy shit and Lazo's trying to disown it.  Then Evdokas starts sucking Lazo's dong:

But this brings out another feature of this correspondence between us. 
It seems to me that you, publishing under the name of "killtown", have 
exhibited far more intelligence about the politics of 9/11 than what is 
in this letter supposedly mailed by you. 

Hard to tell which is funnier: Evdokas calling anything Lazo writes as "Killtown" intelligent, or Evdokas' obvious slamming of Lazo's email to the cyprus IMC listserve.  

o- I would invite you to register with our website and add your own 
comments to the article, and help us to further expose and discredit 
those cyberstalkers and their murderous protectors.

Strong words coming from a STRATFOR informant working with Nazi friendly Holocaust deniers.  Then Evdokas exposes himself as a creepy fuck as there ever was:

o- Your article on the murder of Suzanne Jovin, titled
"Yale student's '98 murder linked to 9/11?"
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/01/yale-students-98-murder-linked-to-911.html
is brilliant. Despite the fact that we disagree on whether planes hit 
the WTC or not, we agree that we have common enemies, that they are 
ruthless, and that they have a degree of intelligence (no pun intended) 
that is wrapped inside many levels of secrets, enigmas and puzzles. Your 
article illustrates that very well, and *exposes* them for it.

 Hold all the phones.  This is the same Susan Jovin Lazo, in defiance of her families wishes, started a Myspace page for....until it was forcibly removed at the families request:

Yet another Killtown expose....

 OMFG. Someone pdf and save it, lest we ever need more proof that Killtown is absolutely nuts.
 http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2264454&postcount=4

 Someone please track down Killtown!
Bevore he takes her out of the grave to "investigate". No kidding here.
 http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2264480&postcount=6

Originally Posted by Oliver
This guy Killtown annoys me a lot. Can someone tell me
what his mental problem is concerning reality and logic?
Maybe a mild (or severe) paranoid personality disorder?
 http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2264975&postcount=29
This inspired the Justice for Killtown lulz:

 I received a Friend invite from a Myspace profile called "Justice for Killtown":
http://www.myspace.com/killtown911


...someone's been having a bit of fun!



Originally Posted by Arus808
bwaha 911wintess and and 911revisted "befriended" him!! HSAHAHAHA
There were even more earlier, who have since removed themselves. The "Erin" chick wearing the green teeshirt that says something like "show me the plane hitting the pentagon" was one of them, and there were several more as well. KillClown has probably sent them all frantic emails and they are probably removing themselves as they get around to reading them.

But the fact that several of them - somewhere between half a dozen and a dozen but I didn't actually count when I saw the site earlier - all befriended him at his "justice for killtown" space in the first place speaks volumes. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2290463&postcount=12

ETA: From the bulletin board:

Quote:
Bamm Bamm - The Random Hero

Date: Jan 26, 2007 6:51 PM

Subject a spoof "killtown" myspace up
Body: If you get a friends request from the following site:

http://www.myspace.com/killtown911


PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE IT!!!! It is a spoof site.


My original Myspace site is this:


http://www.myspace.com/killtown


(with no "911" at the end)


This spoof site was created by the fanatical and immature "James Randi" members who are trying to discredit me (KT) and called the cops on me to try to get this Suzanne Jovin Memorial myspace site shut down.


Here is the blog post where I mention their despicable actions:


James Randi members threatening to shut down this memorial site


Thanks,


KT and Seth
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2291861&postcount=15

I read on another forum that K-boy set up the "justice for K-boy" site himself in an effort to give himself more exposure, but when I asked for evidence, the posters there (Killvillage, Stabtown, Shoottown, Murderboy, Poisontown, NunchukBoy, PeeDoh, PDohr, PeeBoy, PaulD, PeePeeDee, and PeeStabKlownBoy) didn't provide any...so I'm still undecided. 

 http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2295401&postcount=40


Originally Posted by CptColumbo
What's this about the JREF calling the cops on him? Are we able to do that? Why haven't we done it before on more worthy targets?
No one exactly "called the cops on him", but someone contacted the detective investigating the murder of Suzanne Jovin to make them aware of Killtown's "memorial" website, which he set up without her family's consent and to cast suspicion on her professor and try to tie it to 9/11.
There was a thread about it:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=72722
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2296118&postcount=44
Lazo has what remains of his ghoulish memorial page at his killtown review website:

http://killtown.911review.org/other/jovin-myspace.html

Evdokas congratulating Lazo on exploiting Jovin's murder shows what a sick fuck the fake anarchist troll is.  

But what's possibly more phoney than Evdokas' fanboi act is Lazo pretending not to know who Evdokas is...especially given the amount of energy Ross, Wynhausen and others on Ross' list spent trying to convince their dupes that Evdokas was an agent or something. It is very likely Lazo himself was a member of this list, proving all the anti Evdokas bs was a scam:

From:      Ginny Ross ginnypdx@comcast.net>
   
To:      911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org
   
Subject:      Re: [911] alternatives
   
Date:      Sat 09/15/07 08:28 AM
   
> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PETROS IS ALLOWED TO ATTEND MEETINGS.  HE CAN BE
> ASKED TO LEAVE AND IF NOT HE CAN BE THROWN OUT AND THE DOOR LOCKED.  I
> HAVEN'T BEEN TO many of the recent meetings but i haven't seen him.  do
> you mean the laughing horse meetings?  christ, just throw the bastard
> out.  those meetings don't have to be open to that creep.
He goes to the Wed. night meetings for the Iraq War Protest Rally on Sept. 29.  They have been held every week in the Mennonite Church since July 07.  He somehow got himself in charge of the posters and flyers and they are only just now getting them to the printer (only one week before the event....pathetic.)  I think he is a master of the "slow down"   Also, the flyers/posters are practically unreadable and look like something out of the '60's Vietnam protests.  Also pathetic.

We should never let this sort of stupid slow down tactic mar any of our events.

But David, sorry for the confusion  -- no one meant to say that P is coming to our meetings.  But I suspect he may do so when his Wednesday nights become free again  :-0!

Ginny

_______________________________________________
911leaders mailing list
911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org

From:      Jennifer Wynhausen jwynhausen@msn.com>
   
To:      Russ  like7new@comcast.net>, 911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org>
   
Subject:      Re: [911] Domain Name issues - Update
   
Date:      Sat 09/15/07 11:46 AM
   
I agree with Russ.  In particularly about putting money in their pockets.  It just really bothers me that we have to deal with this, that we have to worry about who is sitting next to us.  I love the group for the support it has offered me, so I no longer feel alone in my individual quest.  Along with dealing with our local issues, I have been dealing with the bullshit splintering 911 truth on a national level and it does make me want to walk away.  HOWEVER, I won't, I can't.  I can try and avoid the politics, leave that to those who enjoy that fight and focus on what I can control.  Although as we all know, that is very little.

Thank you to everyone who has been so supportive.  I do love you all.

I hope to see you all tonight at the Lucky Lab.
And:
From:      "Darris Mishler" darrism@gmail.com>
To:      "Jennifer Wynhausen" jwynhausen@msn.com>
   
Cc:      Ginny Ross ginnypdx@comcast.net>, Sean mulder00786@yahoo.com>,911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org
    Subject:      Re: [911] Welcome
    Date:      Sat 09/29/07 12:26 AM
   
Hey, The mole(s) don't really bother me - I figure they're always going to be there and likely here. I know the feeling though of looking around the room and trying to guess who the damn mole(s) is(are). I try to judge people on their actions - if they are disrupting things, et cetera - ala Petros & Co. I do all I can to distance myself from them and not waste any of my time on their distractions. - Then again I'm not at the meetings much: so I haven't much right to talk about what goes on there. On the no-plane thing at the Trade Center. I have to say I'm against saying that to someone who is new without some strong evidence - it could serve to scare them off. The no-plane thing also serves up a heated debate in front of the newb too, which isn't good. As for myself, "September Clues" seems a bit suspect to me; so I'm still a planer. I'm willing to listen though and check out further evidence: For example - Is it true that they didn't find any parts that actually matched up with any of the planes per serial numbers on the parts? - Or is this just an urban legend? - It seems like there were too many eyeballs and cameras on the second plane strike for there not to be a plane. . . . I'm sorry, man. "September Clues" pretty much rested their case on footage they themselves could have manipulated. Now if it's true none of the plane parts matched up and the such like then maybe there'd be something to it. Some evidence connecting Rummies statement about a missile hitting the pentagon just like at the Towers, et cetera would be nice. There must have been hundreds of cameras pointed at the Towers after the first plane and I haven't seen one show a missile. Anyway, I'm rambling. In short, I have always questioned how those planes could completely pierce through those steel girders. So far I've figured they strategically flew them by remote control to hit those specific points which were lined with cutter charges or some such. My favorite thing to say concerning 9/11 is "Airliners can't vaporize." So, I'm with you on the physics of it. On 9/28/07, Jennifer Wynhausen <jwynhausen@msn.com> wrote:
Most damning..and proving Wynhausen and Lazo knew Evdokas ran Cyprus IMC:

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007
From: angeldog angeldog@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [911] Humor Break re Jo Cressy
To: OR 9/11 Activist Leaders <911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org>
LOL -that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time!

Ginny Ross wrote:
> Click for a gender bender....
> http://tinfoilwars.blogspot.com/2007/10/is-col-jenny-sparks-aka-joe-cressy-man.html
>
> Here's some of the total trash being slung by Petros lately:
> http://english-cyprus.indymedia.org/newswire/display/793/index.php
>  
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007
From: Jennifer Wynhausen  jwynhausen@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [911] Seattle
To: OR 9/11 Activist Leaders  911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org>

I'm still considering driving up.  Are you going to be at the meeting tomorrow?  And how come you didn't register at 911movement?

> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:17:34 -0700
> From: darrism@gmail.com
> To: 911leaders@oregontruthalliance.org
> Subject: [911] Seattle
>
> Is anyone here tripping up Saturday for the Seattle rally; if so can I
> catch a ride?
>
> - Darris
> 503.490.1785   
But it's cute Lazo and Evdokas think they have to pretend they don't know about each other.   
This pretense is an indirect clue Evdokas is a cozy with Lazo as he is with Titrud, otherwise Evdokase wouldn't find any questions about Lazo/Killtown "threatening".  

Only one comment at Cyprus IMC so far, predictably vandalized by the editors:

Comment:

Re: ATTENTION PETROS EVDOKAS


submitted on Sun, 02/26/2012 - 03:08

a non-registered Visitor (click for information) wrote:

Feel free to delete as long as you get it all done.  But if your stupidly spam this, including among email lists, (including yahoo groups) in a bullshit attempt to pretend you people have no idea what's going on, guarentee Glenn Goldman ISP provider with be contacted sooner rather than later. 
Don't be an idiot...well more so than you people have been.
{Editor's Warning: we have ascertained that the owner of the website below takes the ip numbers of visitors and uses them to entrap visitors, embroiling them in accusations similar to those in this article. Please be advised that by visiting this link you are taking a risk.}
emailsfromeegits.blogspot.com/

You've got a week to start getting results.

 Shouldn't there be another comment?  Like THIS ONE?
 

Re: ATTENTION PETROS EVDOKAS

don't bother. all evdokas wants is people to complain so he can get info for his cult losers. about that blog? nvd got it covered
http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/
HEY EVDOKAS HOW'S STRATFOR TREATING U THESE DAYS?
not easy being a corporate intelligence informant anymore, huhh?
Mmmm..guess the "editors" didn't like that one either.  As if Evdokas finds his exposure as a STRATFOR "subscriber" even moar embarrassing than exposure organizing with a Holocaust denier.
What can we say...




Friday, May 25, 2012

JREF LINKS THE LOVE!

hahaha that site is awesome. Good find!
-JREF member
cjnewson88
Muse 

Epic news of the day:  JREF member Scott Summers sends us link love:


Master Poster

Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance

I just found this. What do you make of it?
http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com

 Kool.

Summers apparently found this blog Googling frank morales church 911; Frank Morales is certainly a creep to look out for; he's most probably the group's connection to Scientology.


Some comments are equally epic:


Penguilicious Spodmaster.
Tagger 
"Like most cultlike organizations, the group doesn't come out and say what it's up to to newbies, because it's hard to get new helping hands saying "we're a collection of right-wing wolves in Democratic clothing here to push a Nazi friendly agenda"."

I don't care if these guys are debunkers or yet another group of splitters from the TM, that there is one of the best descriptions of truthers I've ever seen!

Others less so:

Philosopher
 Probably a Jenny Sparks website; (s)he was well-known for obsessing over Sara Lamadrid and appears to have been located in Portland.

How to explain Jenny Sparks... wow. First off, she took her internet nic from a comic book character. She was rumored to be a transsexual, but to be honest, the before picture that people posted looked reasonably attractive and the after picture was... not so hot. She belonged to the Truth Action folks, which meant that she spent more time criticizing other people in the Truth Movement than she did explaining her own theories.

She was vile; back when James and I were on Haloscan she was the first Truther we banned from commenting, and it was only with great reluctance.

As far as I know, she has not been active in the Truth Movement for 2-3 years.
Odd this user quickly assumes one of the groups Sp's was involved.  Undebunker-ish; a Google search of Jenny Sparks Sara Lamadrid include links to Craig Lazo's predictable hit pieces and ironically a blog post from a blog "Brainster" claims credit for in his sig:

My new blog: Mockupy Wall Street.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
But no links of "Sparks" person saying anything about Lamadrid. Wonder where he got that idea.  (If this is the same Arizona visitor who viewed Ozzy's profile, it's even weirder.  And the first profile this visitor looked at was... Sara Lamadrid.  Hmmm. Smells like projection.   Anyone who really has questions can email.)

OTOH, if the Screw Loose Change blog archives are an indication, "Brainster" has been following the tinfoil brigade for so long no wonder he's confused. He's also confused about Occupy Wall Street with his new "I hate the 99%" blog:

This faggot's name seems to be "Pat" .  Hysterically, after over a 170 posts, his "new" blog has no followers:

The 99% aren't going away.  Get used to it. 
Then someone bawls we're being mean to  Unsecured Coins. Maybe he shouldn't have thrown in with conspiracy cultards.

A clueless post:

Philosopher
 I feels like infighting - not of interest to outside readers, really.
To the extemt that the Portland groups are being accused of being con operations, with a financial motive, I am incredulous that there is enough money in this to sustain the effort over 6-8 years now. At least not the part where members are lured in. What financial difference does it make if they have 50 instead of 30 members?
 Fraud is of interest to everyone:
 
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/05/scam-gage-back-in-portland.html

Like most cultlike operations, there's high turnover.  The fact they've been around "6-8 years" indicates money in it; why else do it or keep it going? This group is one of many and they're all filling cult coffers. The so called "events" are directed at the general public, with the hope of getting more members or cash whether the people become members or not.  Ergo the idea of warning the general public about the group shouldn't be too hard to grasp.  Derp.

Maybe s/he isn't JREF material. 

Odd Oystein would dismiss criticism of cult operations with the cult-speak "infighting".  By that logic nothing Wise Beardman has to say is of interest to anyone outside of Scientology.  Unless you want to warn people not to get involved in Scientology.

 Regarding  conspiracies, the Southern Poverty Law Center disagrees:

Many used the conference to reinforce their beliefs and bond with others who are convinced that the federal government, corporations, Jews, Communists, the Catholic Church, secret societies like the Illuminati, shadow governments or even space aliens are working to do something very bad to the rest of us. Very often, the conspiracy-mongers agreed that these evil forces want to create a “New World Order” bent on crushing America, its people and their remaining freedoms.
Some of the conference theorizing was benign, focused on such topics as the giant structures of gold that Jose Escamilla said his “vector symbology” studies had found on the moon, or the “gentle” bigfoot creatures that Kewaunee Lapseritis said had stayed secret through their connection with extraterrestrials and UFOs.
 But in other cases, it seemed more serious.
“For some people, conspiracy gatherings and conventions are merely entertainment from the day-to-day harshness of a difficult world,” said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State at San Bernardino. “But for others, conspiracy theories, gatherings and websites are something more. It’s part of a folklore by which they identity themselves and organize their beliefs. It helps funnel anger and skepticism, but also provides order to a world that is oftentimes frustrating and confusing. 
“For the last group of people — those on a hair-trigger either from cognitive impairment or because they’re extraordinarily angry — these conspiracy theories can be a bridge and catalyst to a more violent response.”
Considering the myriad Nazi sympathies this group has, exposing their attempts to suck more people into their con is hardly "infighting".  Maybe Oystein wants to wait until someone gets killed.  We'd rather not.

Coming soon: Oystein wonders why we need a Justice Department.  After all, the actions of criminals are not of interest to readers outside law enforcement, right?

Ends with moderate lulz:


Master Poster
Originally Posted by Scott Sommers
What do you make of it?
Johnny from Airplane!: Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl...


Pterodactyl's are Awesome.





 JREF:  8/10

Read more:

http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/04/recent-scam-pushed-by-group.html

http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/cult-page.html

http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/my-portland-truth-alliance-experience.html

 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/sps.html


Regarding a special request from a fan:

 12th June 2012, 05:59 PM 

BaaBaa
Semi-literate hench-person
I call "Cass Sunstein And The Sneaky Jews" for band name!

Your wish is our command:



The best in Conspiracy Rap...or so we hear.  Looking for more albums covers...cuz we gotta keep tabs on those "Sneaky Jews", yo.



Friday, March 2, 2012

Jaye Powers aka Unsecured Coins, Glue Cowlix

Status: ASSOCIATE

Group Contacts: Jennifer Wynhausen, Craig Lazo

Networks: James Randi Educational Forums, Myspace, Facebook, Kansas City Bastards, Screw Loose Change blogspot comments

Gullible army fag from Killeen Texas. In late 2007, with Jennifer Wynhausen, started Tinfoil Wars stalker blog under the nick Glue Cowlix, obviously swiping the nick of an obscure band, barely known out side of MySpace.

When the Tinfoilwars stalker gig was too obvious, they deleted fucking everything; in 2008 Powers moved on to wasting tax dollars trolling for Craig Lazo.

Powers is one of Wynhausen's pussy whipped personal Internet army. With the exception of one bitchy article using information from Wynhausen about her new dupe Jon Gold, has mostly been quiet on the conspiracy scene since Lazo's docs dropped. Rumored to work closely with Youtube friend/subscriber  Ozzybinoswald:



Nothing says support like help and approval from pedo tolerant creeps.

See also: the SPs.

[under construction]

While well known as Lazo's buttmonkey, it's possible Powers was responsible for Lazo's doxing, even if accidentally.   According to comments at "John Friend"'s Holocaust denier conspiracy blog:


And Craig Lazo is... who exactly? Killtown's real name?


R You for real to ask that question? Why do you think Blakeney and Fetzer have not asked "real" truth seekers to join them? Any idea at all? Those cowards are purposely shooting arrows, but never pointing at the target. They are both pathetic jokes of the real truth. You gotta come outta your trance John Friend. Also, you may want to print rather than have a little kid draw your next 911 poster. It would have a better effect. Don't ya think?


LOL- obviously I disagree with you. Fetzer and Blakeney have both exposed Israel's central role in 9/11. Both of them are pretty weak when it comes to the Holohoax though, I'll give you that.

I have a question for you: do you actually read Fetzer's writings? Or listen to his podcasts? If you did, I'm sure you would understand that this man is a truth teller and a true scholar.

Haha, what's wrong with the poster? I thought it was pretty appropriate for this post.


Years ago JREF found out Killtown's name was Craig Lazo. Probably because his gf told "Unsecured Coins" and he told everyone else. But somehow Lazo's ID was kept secret from truthers for a couple more years until 2010 when everyone knew:


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?s=626a34492ac8b991d8893968766acfb5&p=5544958&postcount=137

It's part of the reason Lazo had to move back to California.
Mmmm....  Did Powers have a crisis of conscience  and outed the Lazo-weasle?   Or was Powers was bragging loudly in the JREF locker room:  "Hey guys!  This Jennifer chick I'm sexting...it's Killtown's squeeze!  He's Craig Lazo...but don't tell anyone!!!!"

More to come....

[Under construction]


Thursday, February 2, 2012

American Free Press and Jim Fetzer promote Jew hater website Rediscover911.com

 Jim Fetzer, epic conspiracy conartist, seems to have had a hand in the creation of the anti Jew website Rediscover911.com, as well as having the pull to get his Alex Jone's loving, pro-Larouche cult gun nut "patriot" friends at American
 Free Press to promote it:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/pr/Members/Issue_3_AFP_2010.pdf

NEW WEBSITE QUESTIONS ISRAEL'S 9-11 ROLE from American ...

Fetzer also linked to it on his ning website:

911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/new-website-questions-israels
1 post - 1 author - Jan 8, 2010
http://www.americanfreepress.net/pr/Members/Issue_3_AFP_2010.pdf NEW WEBSITE QUESTIONS ISRAEL'S 9-11 ROLE How can the truth ...
It's the saddest example of a man denying he's antisemitic proving he's antisemitic:

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9/11 Scholars Forum
Exposing Falsehoods and Revealing Truths

NEW WEBSITE QUESTIONS ISRAEL’S 9-11 ROLE from American Free Press
http://www.americanfreepress.net/pr/Members/Issue_3_AFP_2010.pdf

NEW WEBSITE QUESTIONS ISRAEL’S 9-11 ROLE

How can the truth hurt a ‘truth movement’? This fundamental question is being asked by a recently launched website called Rediscover911.com. Specifically, these disaffected researchers are asking why – after eight long years – isn’t Israel’s central role in planning, coordinating, and executing the 9-11 terrorist attacks being placed at the forefront of new investigations, especially in light of such overwhelming evidence.

The site’s founder, a Kansas City dentist named Dr. Ed Kendrick, writes on his website, “9-11 was a murderous Israeli false flag operation with Jewish and gentile American helpers (sayanim). It was intended to fool Americans into becoming enraged at Muslims and into fighting Israel’s enemies for her, all the while picking up the tab for these wars and giving Israel billions outright.”

In a December 29 interview, Kendrick told me why such an elaborate protection racket has been erected by the Zionists and their controlled-opposition network. “There exists a Luciferian presence in the world, and 9-11 was a lie of biblical proportions. The nuclear power Israel is so psychopathic that they’ll unleash great harm if exposed about 9-11.” He continued, “I can’t envision freedom for mankind will resurface for hundreds of years if we don’t identify this criminal cabal and take them to a place where they’ll never again inflict such damage.”

Regrettably, Kendrick asserts that the neo-con/Israel-first connection which implemented these terrorist strikes had willing allies in place before September 11, 2001. “From its very inception, the so-called 9-11 truth movement, otherwise known as the people who say that George Bush and his cronies did 9-11, has been ultimately led and controlled by the same people that perpetrated the dastardly attacks.”

Who precisely are these individuals? Echoing a phrase popularized by Michael Collins Piper, those who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s role are known as Judas Goats. Kendrick writes, “Judas Goats are prominent figures whose job it is to broadcast untruths so that people will not know they are in trouble. They are trained goats used in stockyards to lead sheep and cattle to their slaughter.”

Of course, we need to ask yet again: why would people consciously choose to act as scripted gatekeepers, thereby letting the real killers flee justice? Worse, why are they so willing to point a finger of blame at their own country (i.e. the limited hangout of ‘9-11 was an inside job’ led by Bush & Company), yet utterly refuse to name participants from a foreign power (the Mossad and Israeli government)? We already know how, when, where, and why 9-11 occurred. Shouldn’t every 9-11 truther finally decide to say who did it instead of continuing to ignore Israel’s role?

Los Angeles activist and Rediscover911.com contributor Zan Overall has spent the past few weeks passing out fliers, such as in front of the Israeli Consulate on Wilshire Boulevard. He calls 9-11 an “inside/outside job.” During a December 29 interview with this author, he surmised, “The 9-11 truth movement knows about Israel’s involvement. But mentioning anything about the Jewish people is a hot-button issue. It’s a big taboo because the Israeli lobby is hugely powerful and you can’t offend them.”

However, the stakes are even higher. If the American public ever discovered Israel’s role as 9-11 masterminds, outrage would erupt. Subsequently, the blowback would be disastrous to our supposed ‘ally’ who’d immediately lose billions in foreign aid. Secondly, after realizing the depth of their deception and how we’d been duped into eight years of war against Afghanistan and Iraq, the ‘myth’ of Osama bin Laden would also become crystal clear.

At this stage, Israel’s very existence and survival would be seriously jeopardized. When coupled with information regarding their murderous actions against the USS Liberty, many patriotic-minded Americans would rightfully call for the U.S. to attack Israel. Or, if we withdrew all support for them in the Middle East, they’d become open game for the entire Arab world. Terrified of being exposed for their bloodthirsty treachery, its obvious Israel has done everything humanly possible to conceal their savage actions. Thus, vast protection rackets have been established not only in the mainstream media, but also in ‘alternative media’ venues such as radio, books, websites, and activist circles.

As it stands now at this critical juncture in time (with Israel’s next enemy – Iran – in the crosshairs), two primary gauges exist to determine whether a news source is legitimate. First, do they acknowledge that the official 9-11 story forwarded by neo-cons and Israel-firsters is an unabashed lie? More importantly, are they willing to place Israel’s central role in the 9-11 attacks at the forefront? If these sources refuse to take such absolutely necessary steps, truth-seekers need to ask an obvious question: why are they so willing to protect a cabal of criminals that murdered 3,000 innocent American citizens, not to mention our servicemen stationed abroad who continue doing Israel’s dirty work for them?
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JREF users notws Fetzer on rediscover 911 in early 2012:
 http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-229324.html
 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=229324

2nd February 2012, 06:42 AM
...Maybe he's referring to this? This is the first time I've heard of him being accused of HDism...Fetzer does have this article (http://rediscover911.com/911-denialholocaust-denial/) going for him, I guess.

Going for him==
Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?
That is a blatant lie. These men are Jews - they do not hold Israeli citizemnship. Fetzer refers to a website that admits to have lifted the names from yet another website. Fetzer apparently repeats it in this context because it fits his antisemitic worldview.

Even worse, a little later he llet's us know that his source of "facts" is David Irving, world-reknowned Holocaust denier:
Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/Sharon3.html) said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”.
If you follow the link on "Arial Sharon", it will lead you to a web site called "Action Report online", which is "David Irving's daily newswatch" (small print on top of the homepage).

I think I can smell bedfellows here.

Read the original at http://rediscover911.com/911-denialholocaust-denial/



Is 9/11 research ‘anti-Semitic’?

 

The “official myth” of 9/11 has taken on such importance to the controlling powers of the world that legislation to prosecute “911 deniers” is the logical next step.

The truth does not require a law to make it true. False beliefs (ie., “The world is flat”) of high importance to controlling masses of people may be enforced by ridiculing, jailing, torturing, ostracizing and even enacting laws to enforce the controlling myths.

Obama and Bush addressed the world to enforce the official myths of 9/11–broadcast by the complicit media conglomerates and unquestioned by “journalists” who work in service to the robber class.
OBAMA, the Zionist:

One of the most politically potent clubs in the bag of those who want to conceal the truth about 9/11 from the American people is to attack the character of those who are pursuing it. And among the most powerful of those attempts is to accuse them of being “anti-Semitic” or, better yet, “Holocaust deniers”. As Jim Fetzer explains below, the “Holocaust deniers” rap could hardly be less warranted, since the Holocaust deniers DENY that their government committed major atrocities, while 9/11 Truthers AFFIRM that their government committed atrocities. Nevertheless, disinformation, like The Force, can have a powerful effect upon the weak-minded. Our role, therefore, is to educate the public about the truths of 9/11, no matter how painful, which include multiple indications of Israeli complicity in the events of 9/11. We have to shrug off ongoing attempts to assassinate our character if we as a nation are going to come to grips with the malevolent forces allied against us. It will not be easy, but it must be done. The fate of our nation and, in turn, the future of the world, alas, hang in the balance. We MUST persevere.
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 Is 9/11 Research “Anti-Semitic”?

By Dr. James Fetzer / June 17, 2009
Madison, WI (OpEdNews) June 16, 2009 – A kind of hysteria regarding 9/11 research has surfaced in multiple forms, the most blatant of which has been an assault by FOX host Glenn Beck, who has characterized students of 9/11 as “anarchists”, “terrorists” and “Holocaust deniers”. The comparison with Holocaust deniers is patently false, of course, because Holocaust deniers deny that the (German) government committed atrocities, while 9/11 investigators affirm that the (American) government committed them. They could not be more opposite. The use of the phrase can be politically potent, nonetheless, because it subtly conveys the prospect that anti-Semitism may be involved, no matter how faulty the analogy.

This is hardly the first time that students of 9/11 have been accused of that offense. At the “Accountability Conference” held in Chandler, AZ, February 2007, for example, the issue arose repeatedly during a press conference, parts of which are included in a 4:33 minute YouTube piece entitled, “Truthers Defend Holocaust Denier”, but none of us was defending Holocaust denial. Some of us, including me, were defending a scholar’s research on 9/11, even though he is very critical of Israel and may even be anti-Semitic, which is not the same thing. Suppose that is the case. If he were anti-Semitic, which I personally deplore, would that render his 9/11 research, which is principally focused on the physical destruction of the World Trade Center, of no value? Should it therefore be discounted, discarded, or ignored?


“Anti-Semitism”

Students of 9/11 have been accused of being “Holocaust deniers”. At the “Accountability Conference” held in Chandler, AZ, February 2007, the issue arose repeatedly during a press conference, parts of which are included in this 4:33 minute YouTube piece entitled, “Truthers Defend Holocaust Denier”.
That is a rather ironic claim to make, because “anti-Semitism” commits the same offense of discounting, discarding, or ignoring a person, their work or other attainments on the ground of their ethnicity, religion, or race. To contend that a person’s research on 9/11, for example, cannot be taken seriously because they are anti-Semitic is parallel to discounting a person’s opinions because they are Jewish. Either way, the conclusion (of dismissing their argument) because of other of their personal traits commits the ad hominem fallacy or, more broadly, the genetic fallacy. An argument can be well-founded regardless of its source, including the characteristics of the individuals who advanced it, who may be lacking in virtue in other respects. Arguments have to be assessed on the basis of logic and evidence, not the personal virtues of those who advance them.

We all have our own intellectual strengths and weaknesses, where we may not be as good in mathematics, for example, as we are in history. Our shortcomings with respect to mathematics do not diminish our excellence in history!

Interestingly, a 9/11 researcher, Gregg Hoover, is filing a lawsuit against Glenn Beck for defamation, which appears to be entirely appropriate. Notice that Beck is not simply attacking specific research on 9/11 but the very idea of research on 9/11. Some of the most prominent students of 9/11 are widely admired scholars, such as David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott. Do their efforts to bring the truth about 9/11 to the American people make them racists?

The issue of anti-Semitism has to be addressed on its own merits. It has been used as a political club to attack research on 9/11 whenever consideration has been given to the possibility of Israeli involvement in the crime. That is hardly a stretch, since Israel has probably benefited from 9/11 more than any other political entity. 9/11 has been used to justify wars of aggression abroad against Iraq and Afghanistan—which President Obama, alas, seems to be expanding—and to constrain civil liberties at home in the form of the so-called PATRIOT Act, The Military Commissions Act, and the massive illegal surveillance of the American people, which, alas, he has yet to repeal.

I addressed some of these issues during the Ron Paul “Freedom Rally”" held on the grass in front of the United States Capitol Building on 15 April 2008. The article I published that laid out what I had said there, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”, OpEdNews (April 22, 2008), was even featured on the front page of The Daily Paul the same day, 22 April 2008, it appeared here. During the course of my analysis of who might have been responsible for 9/11, I explicitly addressed the possibility of Israeli complicity in the crime. I wrote:


What about Israel?
But could Israel have been involved? There are disturbing indications. The five “dancing Israels”[link to antisemitic WRH website http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html] were observed on a roof across the Hudson in New Jersey drinking and celebrating as they filmed the destruction of the Twin Towers.
Complaints by neighbors led to their apprehension in a van. The driver told the arresting officer, “We are not your problem. The Palestinians are your problem!” They would be incarcerated for 71 days until an assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft directed their release.
They returned to Israel where three of them appeared on Israeli TV and explained they were there to document the destruction of the Twin Towers. Obviously, they could not have done that without knowing the Twin Towers were going to be destroyed.
The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.
The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.
Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?
An especially interesting case is Michael Mukasey, our new Attorney General, who was also the judge on litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies over the events of 9/11.
Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon [link to Holocaust denier David Irving website http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/Sharon3.html] said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”.
If Israel was involved in 9/11, the American people are entitled to know.
I was confident that I would be attacked for being “anti-Semitic” for making such observations, no matter how factual, so I addressed the issue head-on:


I will be accused of anti-Semitism for telling you facts in the public domain. But it is not “anti-Semitic” to criticize the state of Israel, the government of the state of Israel, or the policies and actions of the state of Israel.
Anti-Semitism involves discounting or belittling persons on the basis of their religious orientation or their ethnic origins.
It is not anti-Semitic to object to the expansion of illegal settlements, the starvation and killing of the Palestinian people, or the butchering of a peace activist with a bulldozer! For these gross violations of human rights, we have the government of Israel to thank.
We need laws to keep dual citizens from decision-making and policy-shaping position in the US government. Who knows whose loyalty they respect?
I call upon those with joint citizenship to resign their positions in the interests of the nation—the United States of America!
It was my belief that I had been successful in clarifying the difference between anti-Semitism and research on possible Israeli complicity in the events of 9/11, but I was soon to discover that conveying this to the American people might pose a even greater challenge than I had supposed and that another distinction would require clarification, in particular, the difference between “anti-Semitism” and “anti-Zionism”.


americafirstbooks.com

“What we don’t know can hurt us: Jim Fetzer”. Jim Fetzer, McKnight Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, spoke at the 2-4 June 2006 Chicago 9/11 Conference on moral, political, and religious dimensions of 9/11, including indications that the United States is rapidly turning into a police state. Dr. Fetzer also presented “How the Media Manipulates 9/11“, at a conference in New York on 9 September 2007. (Also see 911scholars.org.)
The principal problem encountered with 9/11 research is not a lack of data, where disproofs of the official account are virtually boundless—see, for example, more than fifteen key findings in “Why doubt 9/11?”—but reaching the American people with what we have discovered. Thus, when Michael Morrissey, a linguist living in Germany, created a new forum at 911aletheia.ning.com, therefore, I was delighted, since it offered the promise of interactive research among students of the case and an additional opportunity to convey our findings to the American people through a public (or quasi-public) forum. With Michael’s encouragement, therefore, I began posting many of my studies, including “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”.

As the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, whose web site I maintain at 911scholars.org, I have posted links to two versions of that article and a clip of my presentation at the Capitol. Both include their own links in turn to supporting documents. One is a simple text version, while the other is an illustrated version at americanfirstbooks.com. [http://tinyurl.com/45ltba=http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/ToolBarTopics/Articles/Other_Topics/9-11_Anomalies/Dr._James_H._Fetzer_2008-04-22_9-11_and_the_Neo-Con_Agenda.html]

I was therefore taken aback when Michael objected to my posting the illustrated version because, he told me, it appears at americafirstbooks.com, which he said is an “anti-Semitic” site. He thought there should be no association with such a site and insisted I remove it from 911aletheia, even though it only appeared in my own blog. In deference to his preferences, I posted a link instead.

Americafirstbooks.com is maintained by Major William Fox, a former Marine Corps intelligence officer. In collaboration with Capt. Eric May and SFC Donald Buswell, both of whom are former Army intelligence, I, a former Marine Corps officer, had co-authored several “false flag” warnings. Because we are familiar with the evidence that 9/11 was “an inside job”, we have been acutely concerned that Bush/Cheney administration, elements of which—including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and even General Richard Myers—appear to have been profoundly involved in might want to create another pretext for further “false flag” attacks and have issued warnings about them when there were causes for concern. The warnings, principally the product of research by Capt. May and Major Fox, are archived many places. More importantly, while I do not believe that either Capt. May or Major Fox is anti-Semitic, I have no doubt that they are “anti-Zionist”.  [http://tinyurl.com/5f93lb = http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/ToolBarTopics/Articles/Featured_Authors/may,_captain_eric/Capt._Eric_H._May_index.html]

The word “Zionism” was not in my functional vocabulary, I must say, until very recently. It has always been a vague term to me, which led me to feature several guests on my interview program, “The Real Deal”, including Steven Lendman (on March 13, 2009) and Barry Chamish (on March 30, 2009), where our interviews are archived at radiofetzer.blogspot.com. I formed the opinion that the concept of Zionism combines a belief in Jewish superiority with the presumption of entitlement to the lands that Jews (presumably) once occupied in Palestine, regardless of the consequences for Palestinians. This is an issue I would subsequently discuss with David Ray Griffin, who is also a professor of religion emeritus and expert in this area.


911aletheia.ning.com
The differences between Michael Morrissey and me came to a head over a paper by a high-school physics teacher, Charles Boldwynn, in which he uses vector addition to demonstrate that it would have been physically impossible for the Twin Towers to have collapsed from the force of its top floors falling down on the floors beneath them. Chuck fashioned his calculations around the North Tower, assuming that the top 16 floors were falling onto the bottom 94 as a consequence of the damage from the plane and the fires that followed, which ostensibly weakened the steel and caused the upper floors to fall on the lower. This is a fantasy, since neither the damage from the planes nor the subsequent fires could have brought this about (as I explain in “Why doubt 9/11?”), since the fires burned neither hot enough nor long enough to bring this effect about.

Michael, rather to my astonishment, objected to Boldwynn’s study on the ground that he personally could not follow his calculations. I have archived it several places, including at Scholars site, 911scholars.org, under “Articles” as the first appeariing under the subheading “General Articles”, where anyone can download it to study for themselves. He took a different approach by asking how much energy would have be required for that 16-floor section to have caused the bottom 96 floors to collapse and discovered that it would have been enormous, as I’m going to explain. (The very idea is even more preposterous in the case of the South Tower, where the top 30 floors pivot and start to fall from the structure, but then turns into very fine dust in mid-air, which has to be the most stunning and anomalous feature of the destruction of the towers—apart from the fact that they are both turned into very fine dust at the rate of free fall!)

Michael had more than one reason for objecting to Boldwynn’s work, since it also appeared—or a summary of his findings—on a web site called “Real Zionist News” that is clearly anti-Semitic. I tried to explain that the exclusion of his study on the basis of its origins is an example of the genetic fallacy, which is especially egregious in this instance because mathematics is not amenable to evaluation on the basis of the political orientation of its author. Like deductive arguments generally, if the inference from the premises to the conclusion is valid and the premises are true, it is not possible for the conclusion to be false. And those considerations apply no matter who might have advanced the argument, even if it were Adolf Hitler himself!


Mathematics and Truth
Because Michael insisted that he would not countenance studies he personally could not understand, I responded by offering a translation of Boldwynn’s argument in ordinary language that he might be better positioned to appreciate its significance. Here is the content of the post which I advanced, which I subsequently submitted to Bodlwynn for confirmation. I asked him if I had understood him properly, to which he replied, “yes your synthesis of my thesis is correct and very [well] put and clearly [expressed]”, in the vernacular of Skype “chats”. Here is what I wrote translating the argument for Michael’s benefit:


About Boldwynn’s paper, his thesis is very clear: that it would have taken the equivalent of 48,000 tons of explosives to equal the kinetic energy (energy of motion) that the top 16 floors of the North Tower (taking the plane to have hit at the 94 floor and subtracting 94 from 110 = 16) would have had to exert upon the bottom 94 floors for their “collapse” to have initiated the collapse of those 94 floors. John Skilling, one of the senior engineers of the firm that built the towers, had observed that they could carry 20 times the expected “live load” (that is, physical steel and concrete structure plus office furniture and human beings) that they would ever be expected to carry.
Charles believes it was actually much greater than that, but even using Skilling’s more conservative figures, he has calculated that the force required to collapse the lower 94 floors (using vector addition and subtraction of forces) which would have required the combined weight of some 588 16-floor equivalents (taking into account that those uppermost 16 floors were not as heavy as lower 16 floor units because the steel was not as thick) before collapse would ensue; or, using the thought of those 16 floors falling through space downward onto the lower 94, that that 16-floor unit would have to be elevated to a height of 120 miles above the remaining 94 for it to possess enough energy of motion to collapse the remaining 94; or, alternatively, that the energy required would be equivalent to that of 2.4 (Hiroshima sized) atomic bombs, which clearly was not available from the miniscule potential energy that was allegedly released by the fires weakening the steel and causing the top 16 floors to collapse on the bottom 94.
This is an impressive argument, which completely vitiates any claim to scientific significance of the claim that the Twin Towers “collapsed”. I also told Michael that I had featured Charles on my radio show on 10 June 2009, which should be posted at radiofetzer.blogspot.com in the next few days. I expressed regret that we are parting ways over this and (what I take to be) his excess of zeal as an anti-anti-Semite, because it functions as basis for excluding arguments from posting and discussion simply on the ground that they are “associated” with “anti-Semitism”, in the case of Boldwynn’s summary, or anti-Zionism, in the case of my “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda” in its illustrated version by virtue of being posted on americafirstbooks.com. His unwavering attitudes have led me to create an alternative form at 911scholars.ning.com, where I have posted them and additional studies by Elias Davidsson, David Ray Griffin, and others serious students of 9/11.


The Search for Truth

Theories About September 11th. Panelists Alex Jones, Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Steven E. Jones, and Webster Griffin Tarpley talk about the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (06.25.06). Watch full program at FORA.tv
Michael has expressed disappointment with me because, during a much earlier exchange on the forum for Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I had sided with him in objecting to discussions of Holocaust denial on that site. I was not thereby opposing research on Holocaust, however, but excluding it because it has nothing to do with 9/11 research. The possibility of Israeli complicity in the events of 9/11, however, is within the scope of 9/11 research, and yet Michael wants to exclude it, too. That’s just a bit much. We have seen that “anti-Semitism” has been used as a club to thwart and discredit 9/11 research by many, but we have a moral and intellectual obligation to pursue it, nevertheless. If Israel was involved in 9/11, the American people are entitled to know.

I suggested that David Ray Griffin might be an appropriate arbiter of our differences. By sheerest coincidence, he called me a few days ago in relation to his appearance on my program. When I raised the question of whether anti-Zionism was equivalent to anti-Semitism, he told me that, before he became involved in 9/11 research, he had begun drafting an article on the nature of Zionism, where he said he had distinguished between some five different senses, ranging from a generalized desire for a Jewish homeland to the strongest and more commonly used sense of an amalgam of belief in Jewish superiority with an entitlement to the lands of Palestine. He indicated to me that Zionism has a political dimension that makes it distinct from Judaism and that “anti-Zionism” in that sense is distinct from and not a form of anti-Semitism. I dearly hope that he will complete the article that he had only begun.

No one should be afraid of research, even research on complex and controversial subjects, whether it is JFK, 9/11 or the Holocaust. I, like Michael, believe in the historical reality of the Holocaust. Neither he, nor I, nor anyone else, for that matter, should worry about someone wanting to do work in that domain because, if their research is sound they will inevitably be led to conclude that it was real! None of us, for example, would worry about someone doing research on whether or not the Earth is flat. Holocaust deniers are in a similar plight: if they do their homework properly—and, of course, if we are right in our belief in its reality—then they should arrive at the conclusion that it was real. And if we are wrong, we need to know that, too. Either way, there is no moral or intellectual warrant for censoring inquiry.

Research, even on complex and controversial subjects, should be open and unfettered, regardless. There is certainly no good reason to fear research on subjects like these, especially by resorting to the use of elementary fallacies—such as the ad hominem, the genetic fallacy, and guilt by association—that I spent 35-years teaching freshmen to avoid. I believe that every thoughtful person, especially professional scholars, will side with me about these things. Indeed, it would like to think that every American would recognize that politics should not be put ahead of the search for truth. We have seen too much of that from the last administration, which has been doing everything it can to place obstacles in the search for truth about 9/11, especially. It is the highest form of respect for those who died that day to know how and why they died, which, alas, we have certainly not yet been told by our own government.

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McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research.

 
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April 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

Written by admin?  Does that mean Fetzer is an administrator of Rediscover911.com?   Antifa thinks so, or at least that Fetzer had a hand in setting the website up:


Mid-2010

Tim Titrud is listed amongst the members of the “Development Group”for Rediscover911.com, an antisemitic “9/11 Truth” website which blames the 9/11/11 events on a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. James (Jim) Fetzer, who had been twice hosted by the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, is also listed as part of the Rediscover911.com website Development Group at this time.

 Of course , the article is  tl;dr gibberish, a mishmash of  conspiracy facts  mixed with  5 dollar  words  meant   to impress  the  less  literate  conspiracy  cult  followers.  

In other words Fetzer is shoveling Jew Hating bullshit, and bullshit remains bullshit no matter how much perfume you dump on it:


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