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Friday, December 7, 2012

Subramanian posts raging butthurt on IMC, claims group victim of racism

 R U SERIOUS?

On Dec 7 2012, IMC reader and conspiracy sympathizer "Subramanian"(possibly Greg Fegel) posts a butthurt ridden bawl about how unfair the Interwebs are to their closet Nazi conspiracy group of fuckwads.

[IMC deletes it, but  it lives in in the comment below found  here:]
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/10/418709.shtml?discuss#407491


Rose City Antifa Allied Website's Racist Diatribe Against a KBOO Staffer 07.Dec.2012 08:25

Subramanian

Rose City Antifa Allied Website Publishes a Racist Diatribe Against a
KBOO Staffer

The Rose City Antifa's allied

website "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" has published a
racist profile and diatribe against a KBOO staffer and correspondent
named Mel Reslor.

The Rose City Antifa and Anti Racist Action's allied website known

as "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" has published a racist
profile and diatribe against a KBOO staffer and correspondent named
Mel Reslor. The "dramatica" website's racist description of KBOO
staffer Mel Reslor is dated March 12, 2012, and it states:

"Quiet and clueless silent partner, group bagman and professional

coward. Unlike his associate Glen Owen, Reslor continues to enjoy a
good reputation at KBOO radio, the local alternative station; KBOO
radio members should expect any personal details Reslor is privy to
end up in the hands of the group's Nazi friendly network. Otherwise
harmless, Reslor stands by, watching the group's scams, doing nothing
and warning no one.

A group member since at least 2005, Reslor mostly lurks in the

background, playing the inoffensive Asian role to the hilt. His
opinions are the group's opinions; expeditions searching for signs of
independent thought from Reslor have come back exhausted and empty
handed, even the ones going as far as Regulus with FTL drive. On the
other hand, we could be racist expecting someone who looks Asian to be
more intelligent than average. We apologize. Even Asians have a
constitutional human right to stupidity."

Link:
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/mel-
reslor.html

The "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website further claims

that Mel Reslor interviewed a "Holocaust denier" on the air at KBOO,
but none of the interviewees that it mentions are Holocaust deniers.
The "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website presents no
proof or evidence that Mel Reslor ever interviewed any Holocaust denier.

The racist attack and false accusations against Mel Reslor by

the "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website are typical of
the Rose City Antifa's ongoing smear campaign against respectable
activists in the Portland area.

[Also mirrored at KBOO by Fegel's, Antifa-Is-Facist account , then deleted:

Recovery Zone on 03/28/12 | KBOO Community Radio

kboo.fm/node/34732
6 days ago – The "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website further claims that Mel Reslor interviewed a "Holocaust denier" on the air at KBOO, ...




Apparently "Subramanian" is too much of a faggot to know the different between racism and irony.   For instance, assuming Reslor was an idiot JUST because he's Asian would be racist.  However mentioning Reslor subverting the Asian stereotype of intelligence by acting like an idiot is NOT racist.

The faggot goes on to write: 
"The "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website further claims
that Mel Reslor interviewed a "Holocaust denier" on the air at KBOO,
but none of the interviewees that it mentions are Holocaust deniers.
The "pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com" website presents no
proof or evidence that Mel Reslor ever interviewed any Holocaust denier.

Actually, the Holocaust deniers are listed right on Reslor's page, the link the fucktard broke, probably on purpose:

  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/mel-
reslor.html
Holocaust deniers in red:

9:30 Mel Reslor hosts – Tim Calvert, Jim Fetzer speak on local events organized by Portland 9/11 Truth

Someone needs to go easy on the Red Pills.   They're not good for reading comprehension.


For more lulz can be found examining the traffic from this article to these pages:

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Smells like closet Nazi con-artist scum are worried, lol....



Monday, March 26, 2012

[IMC-Process] Concerning cyprus.indymedia.org

First email in Evdokas/Cyprus indymedia dispute of 2011

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[IMC-Process] Concerning cyprus.indymedia.org

Athens IMC & Patras IMC editorial teams

Sun Jan 2 15:21:35 PST 2011

Hello,

We are writing this email to express our concerns about the existence
and the character of cyprus.indymedia.org.

Its been more than a year that some political activists from cyprus have
attended the assembly of the editorial team of Athens IMC and informed
us about the situation in cyprus.indymedia.

Furthermore, in Athens IMC we are receiving many mails from people
living in cyprus, people who are involved in the movements, complaining
about the situation in Cyprus IMC.

Cyprus.indymedia.org seems to be violating and not respecting some ofhttp://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif
the fundamental principles of unity of the Indymedia Network.

Let's start :

cyprus.indymedia is using blogspot as host. You can verify that the
domain http://cyprus.indymedia.org redirects to http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com.

This is obvious even from the theme and look of cyprus.indymedia. This
also means that cyprus.indymedia uses no open source. It uses Google as
host, and blogspot as platform.

Cyprus.indymedia violates the Indymedia principle of open publishing.
You can easily verify this by browsing on the site.

In fact there is no open publishing since there is no open democratic
assembly of activists and political people who contribute in cyprus IMC.
Cyprus IMC is controlled by small private group of people.

There is no open character in Cyprus IMC, no open publishing, is not a
media of the movements against capitalism and injustice. It\'s just
another blog, controlled by a private small group which uses Cyprus IMC
to express their opinion.

So we are getting to the con!
tent of Cyprus IMC - blog. Since the content
of Cyprus IMC is written in greek, we who are participating in
the Athens IMC and Patras IMC (greek is our native language) can understand it
and convey it to you.

Obviously, the content of Cyprus IMC is violating too the principles of
Indymedia Network.

Often, there are posts in Cyprus IMC that target people of the
movement in cyprus. The administrators of Cyprus IMC blog refer to
people with their names,surnames, even nicknames, with photos of them,
accompanied with slanderous ratings . Actually the second link below
contains even information on the private life of a female comrade, deeply violating
her privacy.

Some examples :
http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com/2009/12/blog-post_04.html
http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com/2010/12/blog-post_20.html

Even if the Indymedia IMC network globally fights against injustice,
exploitation, racism and nationalism the content of Cyprus IMC seems to
refute it.

In contrary Cyprus IMC blog, tends to make constitutional propaganda and
reproduce stereotypes of hate and nationalism. In example, concerning
the matter of greek-speaking and turkish-speaking residents of Cyprus
Island, Cyprus IMC blog identifies with preservatives ideologies and
nationalists points of view.

Some examples:
http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html

Cyprus IMC is attacking anti-fascist anti-nationalist actions against ELAM
(greek nationalists group in cyprus). It supports and idenfities with the
nationa!
lists about deportation of immigrants. It is positioning against
left and anti-authoritarian initiatives which stand against / oppose to
nationalism and fascism. Cyprus IMC aggrees with categorizing the people who
are forced to migrate and leave their counrty in \"legals\" and \"illegals\".

Example :
http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com/2009/12/blog-post_27.html

From our part, as political activists we participate in the
movement in Greece against capitalism and state, against injustice,
exploitation. We participate in Athens IMC and Patras IMC
because we believe in the principles of Indymedia Network and we believe
that the people can use information on their long way to social liberation.

In the case of Cyprus IMC, having in mind that it has been violating major
principles of Indymedia Network for many years now, principles relat!
ed to
open publishing, open source, open assembly editorial team, content
against capitalism, racism, nationalism, having in mind suggestions and
complains from people in cyprus we request that :

- The domain cyprus.indymedia.org redirects no more in the blog
http://cyprusindymedia.blogspot.com

- Current administrators of Cyprus IMC blog have no further
authorization in the part on Indymedia Network called
cyprus.indymedia.org in Global IMC or elsewhere.

- Cyprus.indymedia.org is removed from the Indymedia IMC\'s lists all
around the world.


For further explanations, informations or anything else on the case of
Cyprus IMC we are at your disposal.

Editorial Teams of Athens IMC and Patras IMC

Friday, January 9, 2009

Killtown: conspiracy flake or Internet menace?

Article spammed by unknown anonymous user across IMC in January of 2009.  This copy was the motive behind Craig Lazo's lol complaint to IMC. 
Indymedia didn't care. 
Mirrored  in case they change their minds.

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Killtown: conspiracy flake or Internet menace?

by Rita S.
Killtown. A name hated and reviled in conspiracy circles on the internet. In their own words:
thelibra (Forum Moderator) - "Killtown, in the future, please refrain from just making things up and presenting them as fact. I'm editing the title of this thread, and I'd also consider yourself on thin ice as far as this forum goes."(from ATS)
Springer Killtown got banned because he REFUSED to abide the TAC, PERIOD. We'd ban ANYONE who acted like he was WELL before webanned him, we tried on several levels to work with him but to no avail. END OF STORY.
intrepid Well, if you've followed killtowns career, so to speak, he has a propensity to get banned pretty much everywhere that he registers. He wears his bannings like a badge of honor and plays the martyr.
Zaphod58 Killtown WAS warned, and he was told a couple of times in a thread by thelibra that he was on thin ice, and to watch his step. He kept pushing, and then posted to his blog and other places about how ATS was censoring him. It seems to ME that his agenda was to get banned so he could point at ATS and say how they censor the truth movement.
Mirthful Me The member "killtown" was post banned over the weekend for violating the new "Closer Scrutiny" policy for the 9/11 Forum… The member also recently received a warning for conduct in the 9/11 Forum, and has had several U2U exchanges with senior staffers (as has most of the regulars within the 9/11 Forum). Killtown was well aware that everyone was under the microscope, and he continued to post in a manner that was not to "Deny Ignorance, but to bait and troll… Apparently to allow him to play the role of the oppressed "truther" on other sites. This had become his sole reason for participating here at ATS, and as such was "contributing" in a manner that does in fact violate the Terms & Conditions.
SkepticOverlord After much consideration and discussion among our staff, it is with sincere regret that I announce the termination of ATS membership privileges for "killtown."
crowpruitt Its sad one would merely use ATS as a way to gain attention.I applaud Skeptic Overlord and co. for their actions in this matter.
bsbray11 To be honest he's always seemed to me to be more interested in creating drama on forums than anything in particular he's saying anyway.
Fett Pinkus Ban baby ban
L.L. If he never corrects any of his theories, even in the face of UNDEBUNKABLE evidence, then that tells us a lot about his motives and agenda.
RasgaSaias He doesn't understand that this drama won't change the fact that his theories are dead
RasgaSaias Killtown, an influent 911movement gatekeeper, gradually muted all those exposing the disinformation tactics at his forum. Silence, censorship and personal attacks have been the ultimate weapons used against truth. Ace Baker and Genghis, two of the most prominent researchers on the fake planes field, have seen their privacy invaded by nameless, faceless and spineless internet stalkers
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Quite a collection of quotes! The researcher known as "Killtown" or "KT", has mirrored his material at The Webfairy's site for some time:
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/
Its a strange mix of material from government archives, paeans to Libertarian philosophy, the works of Webster Tarpley, right-wing Constitutional politics, 911 conspiracies and a bizarre hit blog called Flight 93 Photo Fraud that makes the claim Shanksville witness Val McClatchey, who took the photo The End of Serenity, not only faked her photo, but did so to make a money off the 9/11 attacks and defraud a charity.
Outrageous claims, one might say. But "Killtown" is an outrageous guy. Not afraid to cause a stir, soon after his debut on the conspiracy scene, his sites became the target of numerous removals and bannings.
Or were they? In 2003 alone Killtown's site was moved three times. Over the next two years, two more sites would vanish without a trace, and one would be threatened with termination on "the eve of explosive news", as Killtown claims, never at a loss for the dramatic(this explosive news was never revealed). More "bad luck" would visit him in 2007; his MySpace would vanish, as would his YouTube account. Someone was impersonating him, or so he claims. And all during this time he was waging a war against censorship he fought so fiercely he found himself banned unjustly from virtually every major conspiracy site, as well as a couple of mainstream sites.
That's the story he wants us to believe. The real story of Killtown is complicated and not completely known. His reputation initially came from his credits in the 911 conspiracy film, Loose Change, that promised to prove the September 11th attacks were a government conspiracy, but instead has become a source of conspiracies itself. Killtown, ambitious for his own spot light, severed his connections as soon as convenient and took up the cause of "No Planes", allying himself with James Fezter, an avid supporter of Dr. Judy Wood and her so called theory that the twin towers were zapped into dust by an orbital space laser. But Killtown wasn't deterred by the obviously nuttery. He donned his tin foil hat with a smile, secure his time for fame had come.
What made him so certain of his destiny? What back room deals were made to secure his position as a conspiracy researcher and debater extraordinar? Ms. Wood herself was rumored to be rehabilitated from a tragic accident. His close associate, Rosalee Grable, known as the Webfairy, herself was institutionalized then released under sketchy circumstances not fully reported at this time. Both have worked tirelessly from deep inside the kooky camp, pushing the bizarrest of "theories"; could it be an arrangement was made with Killtown as well, setting himself up to be his own star?
If so, Killtown could be a victim of his own success. His previous reputation, built on reposting reams of archived government footage, plus a snazzy film credit, required minimum engagement with his audience. But in early 2007 Killtown struck out on his own, founding his own forum, 911 movement.org, where (he claims) "no theory will be censored".
But what he really meant was that no theory he didn't approve of will be censored. Heady with power, Killtown quickly became the thing he claimed to despise, banning people for the slightest disagreement, while letting old cronies like Webfairy and Ozzybinoswald, abuse and provoke members without check. Some of his cronies took to making videos suggesting people they didn't like be executed as terrorists. They marketed this meme as WQ2RX. All the while Killtown turned a blind eye, but in some cases actively encouraged the stalking of their targets. The situation became so dire that by the beginning of 2008 most members fled the board to either the Pumpitout forum or the relatively new 911taboo forum.
The worst was yet to come. In 2008 Killtown was to pay dearly for claiming for four years that Val McClatchey had faked her photo in Shanksville. A group of unknown individuals who claim to be members of Anonymous set up Killtown's Secret Archive, a blog to track Killtown's activities and give former victims a way to share information:
http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/
Killtown has blamed various past enemies, real or imagined, for this blog, which may have some basis in fact. The blog actively seeks "donations", that is information, and they claim they will stop as soon as they know exactly who Killtown is. It is not beyond possibility that some of his past victims have, as they say, "sang like canaries". If the allegations claimed in the blog are true, that's not surprising.
They (Anonymous) appear certain Killtown is a type of cyber stalker, working with a gang of people hell bent on slandering or defaming anyone who crosses them. They(the Killtown gang) are recorded digging for information on false pretexts, posting personal details the targets have never posted on-line in public, insinuating death threats through numerous videos. There is even one report of Killtown's alleged girlfriend, Jennifer Wynhausen of Portland, Oregon(rumored to engage in email harassment under the nym "the911stalker") , taking a group of people to someone's house to threaten them with physical violence; though not confirmed, when confronted, Killtown did not deny it.
Outrageous indeed. More recently Killtown has used a possible suicide attempt in a cynical bid to reclaim his former glory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9876dk_zg
Killtown makes many wild claims in the video description, not the least of which assuming this was a deliberate stunt. But that is unknown at the time. A real researcher wouldn't have such a callous disregard for the facts, or the suffering of the man in question. Even if it is a "stunt", it is also a cry for help. But Killtown doesn't care; he is determined to get his fame back at any cost and if he needs to step over a body to do it, figuratively or literally, so be it.
This callous nature reveals the real Killtown, an infantile adult desparate for attention. What if the reasons for his sites' mysterious disapearances weren't disapearance at all, but pulled down by Killtown himself to give him the appearance of someone about to crack a conspiracy and feared by "the powers that be"? It would match his later compulsive trolling to get banned, again a cry for attention. His claim someone was impersonating him. He's always a victims. And he can't be just a conspiracy theoriest, he has to be the most conspiratorial conspiracy theorist: laser beams attacked America on 9/11!
This would be simply funny, if not sad, if Killtown wasn't starting to live up to his name: Killtown.
"Anonymous" believes he's dangerous. An associate was caught wiring money off shore. The recipient, a man called Joe Vialls, passed away three years ago from natural causes. Or did he? That is left to those more qualified to investigate. But what is true beyond a doubt is the series of videos featuring death threats, execution imagery and porn to targeting people Killtown's gang has (allegedly) obtained personal information about by deceptive means. The following videos and accounts below are an example of the shenanigans of Killtown's gang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFWZGXTMGRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azURaXAe2mY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip3lIcyhMU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaqqcpvCXc0
http://www.youtube.com/user/rat8bush http://www.youtube.com/user/cow4grass
The first account Dog4tree, attibuted as the "leader" of video threats was Dog4tree, but that account has bee suspended:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dog4tree
We can all agree free speech ends at death threats and intimidation; these videos should be flagged for removal.
This is the product of the Killtown gang. A domain search of Dog4tree.com reveals Rosalee Grable as the owner, implying a key, if not vital role in the creation of these videos and perhaps they're funding.
In her defense she writes:
I bought the domain name Dog4Tree.com and org in a seemingly gentler time to post transcripts of the 911 Octopus series. I do not endorce violence in any way shape or form against anybody ever. The videos are an artistic depiction of anger and show means of self defense after these Cartoon Creators of a Cartoon Reality establish their Martial Law plans, which were foiled this time around.
What this paranoid drivel means can only be guested at. Grable is mistaken if she thinks she pass off implied death threats combined with unauthorized use of personal details as harmless artistic fun. Killtown is not alone in his delusional hubris. Which some of his forum members find shocking when they dare to question these actions:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1350
you are now threatening my children? KILLTOWN! HELP!
And:
So, we will be hunted down, huh? How would you like to be threatened like that? Hey, Webfairy, Killtown, Peggy, Nico? Is it acceptable to post videos that threaten to hunt people?
But Killtown ignores these pleas. His concern for protecting pet theories and his ego out weighs any concern for protecting people, even his own members, from the attentions of his stalking gang. No one is safe who does not agree with him.
What does this mean for the rest of us outside conspiracy circles? The problem is we don't get to chose the online interests of our friends and family. So we may be targeted for cyber stalker activity even if we have no connection to the main targets. It behooves all of us to take an interest in online based stalking, especially after the recent tragic events at Myspace.
Unfortunately, this situation is likely to get worse. Killtown has never faced serious consequences for his actions. Not for his harassment and slander of 911 witness Val McClatchey, not for hosting a gang of video stalkers on his forum. It might take a tragic event to drive home the urgency of hosting sites to enforce their terms of service. Many online service providers, including Invisionfree who host Killtown's forum, take a laissez faire attitude towards complaints, especially if they stand to loose money. What they fail to appreciate is, by neglecting their own Terms of Service, they are helping to create a hostile Internet environment, and losing money will be the least of their problems if someone gets seriously injured.
Or tries to commit suicide and is viciously mocked by an adult child desperate for attention, as Killtown is in this thread,
Ace Baker FAKES suicide on Jim Fetzer's show, Listen to audio clip of fake gunshot —>
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5907&st=0
But what could motivate Killtown, besides the need for fame and attention? A clue is dropped by a member:
mind-control cult-for-money
Could Anonymous be right? Could Killtown be motivated, or even a victim of, cult influence taking advantage of his natural psychological weaknesses?
Killtown's time of reckoning seems to be coming. It is one thing to believe strange conspiracy theories about the September 11th attacks on America, and quite a another to leverage that belief as an excuse to harass anyone who dares to question his personality cult.
One is the purview of anyone in a free society to believe what they want, no matter how crazy. The other is possibly criminal and is begging for a civil suit at the least. If Killtown can be connected to stalking and video harassment including death threats, this latest stunt of his part to take advantage of a suicide attempt bodes ill for Killtown's future. If he's upping the ante, his need for attention out of control, it is only a matter of time before "Killtown" finds himself facing a judge.
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Notes and links:
Killtown's sites: http://forum.911movement.org/ http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/ http://www.geocities.com/killtown/
Loose Change: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(video)
Article on Val McClatchey: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06218/711239-85.stm
James Fetzer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer
"Dr." Judy Wood: http://www.drjudywood.com/
Conspiracy forums disputing Killtown:
http://www.911blogger.com/ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ http://z15.invisionfree.com/911taboo http://www.pumpitout.com/
Jennifer Wynhausen: http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4017
"It is pathetically sad that he clings to "anonymousity" at a time when a solid attractive respectable couple like Jennifer and Killtown could create a real on-the-ground impact, much more mainstreamable than Nico's edgy marginalization."
http://www.katu.com/news/10130686.html
the911stalker email harassment:
http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2008/04/911-stalker-updat...
Anonymous blog alleging to expose Killtown as a cyber stalker:
http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/
contactanon54(AT)yahoo(DOT)com
Myspace Lori Drew case: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/lori-drew-indic.html


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Friday, April 16, 2004

April 24 March against Police Brutality - I'll be there, but.........

Concern trolling tl;dr article by Petros Evdokas posted on Portland Indy IMC in 2004.   He seems to be warning against a street action, implying it might be dangerous.  And with STRATFOR's finest on the case, of course it will!

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actions & protests | human & civil rights | police / legal
16.Apr.2004 20:56

 April 24 March against Police Brutality - I'll be there, but.........
.....But here it is : I have terrible reservations about it.


April 24 March against Police Brutality

April 24 March against Police Brutality - I'll be there, but.........


I'll be present at the protest for 2 reasons:

1. The people who have been working day and night to organize this protest are genuine, committed, anti- racist radical activists.

They have good hearts, and they really do care about our communities. They really honestly want to see the racist police disarmed, and want to see this event in the context of larger and deeper struggles for revolutionary social change in the country, one more thorn in the heel of the brutal Empire under which the planet lives and dies. They are genuinely pure in their motives for this work, and they are especially hostile to the hijacking of the police brutality issue by petty electoral and other corporate interests, or by personal careerist manipulations.

2. The demands of the protest are correct, and feasible.


.....But here it is : I have terrible reservations about it.


I've had the honor and pleasure to be close enough to the organizers of this event to respect them and I really do want to work with them on political projects. I repeatedly keep finding though, that there is no room for co-operation.

The campaign to put together this protest has at least two flaws, which the organizers either don't seem to understand (and there's nothing wrong with that, but we need to keep trying to cultivate understanding when our comrades are good people), or seem as if they "don't wanna to hear it" - even though they are wonderful people, they really do believe that the way in which they do this is a revolutionary style of work, and that all other approaches are "liberal" or "reformist". That's why they "don't wanna to hear it":

1. There are no structures for democratic imput in this campaign so that those of us who support it, or who want to work for it, may participate not only as mindless workers but also as political beings, with our questions, opinions, thoughts, suggestions, resources, experiences, insecurities, fears, etc. There's only a directive given, by sources unknown and unaccountable to anyone, and you are given the choice to either follow that directive, that particular job, stick to the arbitrary deadlines, do it, or risk being called "counter-revolutionary" or "liberal".

We all know that aiming for revolutionary change means that alongside those of our organizations which are built for struggle (our militias, affinity groups, underground structures, etc), we also need to build structures of direct democracy, political organizations in which we can be interactive and accountable to ourselves and to others within them, and to the wider community, for our politics and for our actions. These are the embryos of community self- government and self-administration, which we hope will one day replace the system of corporate control and authoritarian state power over our lives. We intend to see that these political structures and organizations for struggle, both, embracing a multiplicity of tactics in the service of the revolution, become more and more permanent features of the alternative and radical community as the liberation movement expands and deepens. But we can not have one without the other.

The group of activists working for this April 24 March against Police Brutality refuse to discuss the building of these structures, even as they invite people to work on the project. But what other way is there to ensure that all activists and supporters, radical coworkers on a project, can have equal imput in the direction and navigation of a campaign, if there is no forum for doing the work and the politics together?

2. The most glaring mistake of the campaign so far, is the total lack of initiatives to invite community organizations and community leaders from among those who are most affected by the recent racist murder by the police.

The recent mobilization of thousands of people against police brutality would not have been possible if it were not for the initiative of primarily faith-based community organizations, churches and congregations in the African- American community, and also initiatives from within other ethnic and cultural groups from among the communities which are most often the targets of racist killings and abuses. Without an alliance with this leadership, which is capable of bringing inspiration and the courage to keep on living day after day under the whip, what kind of anti-racist community mobilization do we hope to achieve?

The numbers and cultural identities of the people who attend the April 24 protest will illustrate this clearly. Even if there were a thousand phone calls from people in the North/ NE Portland neighborhoods to say thanks for the poster, it still does not change anything: the community was not invited to participate as a community, but only as individuals who saw a poster on a street.

Revolutionary- minded and radical activists whose origins are mostly in the European- American communities, need to ask themselves: "Do we value the community organizations - as they exist today - within the African- American community?" If yes, why not invite them to help put together the protest? And of course, this holds true for building alliances with community organizations within all of the communities which are oppressed because of ethnic, cultural, religious, or sexual identities. Why not invite them to help put together the protests? Would it be liberal to do that?

In fact, when members of the KKK -oops, of the...... police, wrongfully and criminally harassed the organizers of this protest, they lectured at them saying that "All the blacks are really mad at you for doing what you're doing. You're riding the coat-tails of their tragedy". Believe it or not, in saying this, the cops were voicing a part of the truth which as radicals we need to be aware of. The Empire knows so well how to divide and conquer: mistrust between all oppressed communities and especially between them and the mostly European- American dominant community, is very powerful. It is poison. Our first concern, always, before beginning to fight, is to build trust and solidarity - so we can fight together! Why did this protest go wrong in this direction?

Will it not be justified if on the day of the protest, community leaders explain their absence and the absence of large numbers from their communities if they say "we were not invited"?


The organizers of this protest really are good people, and I know for a fact that they are committed to all the values of good community organizing, genuine anti-racist work, coherent examination of goals, strategies and tactics. In fact, I know that if we had a chance for ongoing dialogue in the context of working together on projects like this, they would probably not only agree, but they might even come up with some of these concerns on their own.

I emphasize the above because I know that the blunders of this campaign are really well-intentioned mistakes, by good people. But they are mistakes, preventable, and ease to solve, but still mistakes.

Unfortunately, for now, they have adopted a policy of seing any effort at dialogue as undesirable. This is a symptom of a wider and generalized policy within a certain network of mostly European- American anarcho- autonomist, direct action oriented community of activists, some circles of indymedia included, to see dialogue among comrades as "unproductive", or "liberal". I know that the particular individuals involved in this campaign would be doing things differently - and be happily doing so - if they had opportunities for real ongoing exchanges together with radical comrades from all walks of life and from all the cultures which are trapped under the Imperial dominion.

So, I'll be there at the protest, but a little shy about it because of the blunders built into the process. I hope that our comrades will open themselves up to democratic co-operation and dialogue, so that the risks they are taking now, taking on the Beast armed only with courage, will result in better mobilizations in the future in which we can all work together, and be armed with politics, as well.

Petros Evdokas from within the Belly of the Beast
http://petros-evdokas.cyprus-org.net/
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Related Articles:

Portland Police Tear Down April 24 March Posters, Arrest Two More People
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/286067.shtml#114972

March for Justice and Police Accountability
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/285804.shtml

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Evdokas gets bitch slapped by several IMC users:

 Give it a rest, Petros 16.Apr.2004 22:00

Geez
Thanks for that totally self-indulgent public undermining. Listen, if people want to do something differently than you do, you're free to participate or not participate as you choose. Why take paragraph after paragraph after paragraph to explain why you have "reservations" about participating, but will participate anyway? Do everyone a favor and just don't participate, and stop trying to undermine what others are doing.

If people are calling you "liberal" and "reformist," maybe it's because you ARE.

I, for one, am happy that Arissa is doing this. The demonstration down at the justice ctr was a start, but not nearly enough. Thank God people are willing to keep the pressure on the pigs. Petros, if you want to wallow in your touchy feely-ness, go wank off in private. This is not the time. Are you TRYING to be counterproductive? Or does this just happen to you. 
 Sounds like just another excuse for not doing anything 16.Apr.2004 23:02

George Bender

I haven't worked on this issue, but I have tried to organize around other issues. And found it enormously frustrating. You get 20 people together in a room and try to arrive at a consensus about what to do, and you can't. It's like herding cats. People often seem to be into the process at the expense of getting anything done. They just want to talk. When it comes time to DO anything they're not there.

Aside from mass marches, only a small percentage of "activists" are actually activists. People come to meetings to say no to whatever is proposed, because it's not their idea, and because they don't feel like doing anything. I don't have the patience for that anymore. I want to work with people who have a plan and are going ahead with it. I'm willing to go along if it makes sense to me, and contribute what I can. Usually I volunteer to do some supporting job.


I believe in:

Those who do the work make the rules.
Lead, follow or get out of the way.

Meetings just drain energy. Best to meet in action.

http://portlandwriters.com
 An Arissa Organizer 16.Apr.2004 23:51

Craig Rosebraugh craig@arissa.org

After reading the lengthy shit spouted by Petros, I am choosing to engage in the all-to-self-destructive pratice of Indymedia debate. Because I wish to remain brief, my comments will appear in short numbered statements.

1) As an organizer with the Arissa organization I can boldly state that yes we indeed have our own vision of the revolutionary process and the means to get us there. We believe in creating a revolutionary movement in the United States consisting of people who actually want to do whatever it takes to change the political structure of the country. This process falls outside the norms that are shared by most within the "activist" community, not only in Portland but across this country. We are not a "Leftist" or "liberal" organization and believe that social and political revolutionary change is greatly hindered in this country by people who are stuck in the single-issue, 100% consensus mindset. Everyone loves to believe in the utopian world, and even pretend to live their lives in a perfect utopian state, but we must realize that it is our privilege in this country that allows most of us to do that.


2) Owing to the fact that we have different political and social goals than liberal organizations, we do not practice the same organizing strategies. We believe that working with liberal individuals, whether white, black, red, brown, yellow, pink, etc. not only compromises our ultimate goal of revolutionary building, but continues us on a path of ultimate failure. It is a misconception to suggest that we do not want or value the input of the community. But we are as much a part of this community as anyone also (even you Petros who, after being here just a few months may be a bit premature in your local community analysis), and do not believe we have to ask permission from those in the community we disagree with before taking action in our organization.


3) It is also quite mythical to suggest that we refused to conduct any community outreach for this event prior to its organizing. Just because you Petros and other liberals in this community were not consulted first doesn't make our action wrong. In fact we made a conscience decision to initially contact those we wanted to work with, who shared our revolutionary message, and then to continue the outreach up until the March on April 24th.


4) We believe it is ridiculously racist to assume that we must contact the "Black Community" before planning and engaging in an action against the police - an arm of the government that plagues not only the Portland community with terror, but also other communities on a national level. As whites we have a responsibility to take care of our own people, our own racism, and not be foolish enough to believe we have to stand behind liberal black leaders in order to act.


5) We chose to organize this March after attending yet another liberal rally downtown, where politicians, religious leaders, and other liberals told a caring public that they should just remain calm, have faith in the system, and somehow justice would prevail. Someone needed to step up and begin speaking the truth to people. Believing in liberalism, believing that someone justice is just going to miraculously come by trusting the system, has historically prevented change from actually occurring in this country. Until people understand they have to stand up for themselves and defend themselves there will be no change. The liberals will still take on their pet causes for a week, a month, or year, and then move on to the next cause. The religious leaders will still tell people that faith in God will save the day, and the politicians - well they will continue to say anything to get your vote. But things will keep getting worse. No matter how much better token liberal events may make us feel about ourselves, ultimately things just keep getting worse. The Arissa organization seeks to break this self-defeating, suicidal path. I do not apologize for that.


6) If individuals or groups support the building of a revolutionary movement and our March pressuring the City of Portland to finally hold its police officers accountable, we encourage you to get involved. If not, then organize your own event and quit whining because we are choosing to do something you did not approve of or you cannot control.


7) Contrary to the rumours of our lack of organizing (or blunders as Petros put it) we are expecting quite a large turnout. With our outreach to selected individuals and organizations, our postering of the City, our very sizable bulk mailing to Metro area addresses, our large ad next week in Willamette Week, and our flyering of community events, we are very hopeful that our numbers will be sizable enough to kick off a successful campaign to pressure the City into police accountability.


8) And lastly, as Petros has speculated Arissa is not a completely open, utopian democratically-run liberal organization. Again, our goal is to actually build a revolutionary movement in this country using a methodology that we believe will be successful. If you do not agree with that, you are entitled to your opinion, but isn't there more you could be doing with your time than attempting to put us down for organizing an action in OUR community?


Maybe I'll see one or two of you on April 24th...

http://www.arissa.org
(503) 972-1140
 Go Arissa 17.Apr.2004 07:35

gonna be there
I've talked to many, many people about this march, including African American people in N pdx, and they're SO down with this event. I haven't heard one negative comment (other than this wallowing critique from Petros). There isn't just one "Black community," and it seems that radical people of color were as disenchanted by the liberal demostration at the justice center as radical white people. I think their voices are every bit as important as the elite pastors and politicians who spoke at the more liberal event.

I'm not dissing the people who put on their Sunday best for the justice ctr thing. I went to that too, and I support a multitude of approaches for dealing with this problem. But I was troubled by the repression of rage so evident there. I heard a woman give the most impassioned speech. In the midst of it she said with fire in her voice, "Oh, I'm angry." But then she pulled back and said, "But we not gonna do that. One should never deal in their anger." Why the fuck not? I heard an awe inspiring speech from a man from the Nation of Islam, followed by the MC laughing it all off with, "Damn. You're making me mad now. We knew how this would shake out, so we're gonna take it down a notch now."

Call me crazy, but I don't want to be taken down a notch. That rage is real, and it deserves expression. Those pigs are KILLING PEOPLE.
But the Arissa situation may be moar complicated; this comment could describe many cult groups, including the Portland conspiracy alliance:

 it's either democratic or it's totalitarian 18.Apr.2004 12:23

Buffy
The Arissa model

seems to be Democratic Centralism.

This is where the core group (or leader) decides everything and individual members either agree or become the enemy. Lenin changed the revolution from democratic to the totalitarian "democratic centralism" that Stalin ruled with. (We've seen this occasionally in PPRC and CNPJ, too, over the very same issue of police behavior.) All it takes is a cult of personality to develop, or for the leaders to be unquestioned and membership passive, or for some to be quicker and more ruthlessly manipulative with the rules than those who disagree with them, and you get the tyrany of de facto or genuine democratic centralism.

The emphasis is on the "centralism" bit, and not the "democratic."

Democratic Centralism is always justified by necessity. Concensus takes too long, we have to respond immediately, unity is strength and we can't afford to be weak, petty bickering will destroy us, our cause is greater than the needs of any individual, etc. All of these things may be more or less true, but people of good will and persistence will lead through democratic processes, and not resort to tyrany. It always, always, always comes down to a means-ends issue. The means ARE the ends.

Those who enjoy fauning, ass-kissing, or being fauned upon or ass-kissed and other S & M roles will get off on being part of a democratic centralist or totalitarian organization. It's safe. You always know the real rules: don't fuck with the leaders; and the real agenda: whatever the leader wants.

Of course there are benificent tyrants, but you can't count on it. They must always test their power by being particularly procrustian, changing the rules arbitrarily to see who jumps and who questions, etc. Loyalty is everything, and absolute loyalty becomes the first law. After a while, the only way to test loyalty is to demand that members do things that are increasingly against their nature, just to demonstrate their loyalty.

Don't for a moment believe that such leadership behavior is based on insecurity, or assume that the schoolyard bully is really a coward. These people have very strong egos and a solid sense of entitlement. They really believe they have the right to be top dog. Only petty tyrants bother to justify their behavior with extensive rationalizations and theories of revolutionary necessity -- spouting this bullshit is what underlings do best. Real tyrants just do their thing and assume it's good and wonderful because they are doing it. (G.W.Bush is beautiful example of a tyrant who uses the flimsiest of democratic veils to justify his behavior. If he's re-elected, he may drop the veil entirely.)

love & hugs,

Buffy

 Arissa's old webpage,  http://www.arissa.org, listed two addresses: one in Oregon,  another in New York:
PORTLAND CHAPTER
POST OFFICE BOX 5068
PORTLAND, OR 97228
TEL:(503)972-1140
email

BUFFALO CHAPTER
POST OFFICE BOX 232
SOUTH WALES, NY 14139
TEL:(716)698-2396
email

 They were supposed to be the vangaurd of "the revolution":


 The primary goal of Arissa is to create a social and political revolution in the United States. We believe that none of the single issue problems - whether in the human or environmental categories - can be resolved until a political structure is put in place to allow for an atmosphere of change. Arissa will have reached its initial goal when that revolution occurs.

Realizing that the citizens of the United States are nowhere near prepared for a revolution, we believe that public education is a priority. In order to build a revolutionary movement, we must first build a revolutionary consciousness. We believe there are sound reasons for fundamental political and social change in this country, and it is crucial to assist in allowing the people to understand this as well.

With this in mind, Arissa Media Group LLC was formed to concentrate on producing various forms of educational media designed to promote the necessity of revolution in the United States. This media will include books, documentary videos and film, audio cds, and a national magazine. The first of our book projects was released on May 30, 2003.

To see the full catalogue of Arissa Media Group releases go to www.arissamediagroup.com.

In addition to releasing media projects, Arissa also is engaging in another important aspect of the revolutionary pursuit - community organizing. We plan to develop a network of community based organizations throughout the United States that will create strong ties within localized areas, thereby building support for a revolutionary movement. Arissa plans on assisting local communities with important resources not provided by
governmental agencies. Whether it is providing food, shelter, clothing, education, physical fitness, self-defense, legal aid, or other sought after assistance, we plan to work with each location on an individualized basis while demonstrating the necessity of revolution. This network will be the beginning of the revolutionary movement in the United States.

We believe everyone has the responsibility to take action and assist in the effort to stop the U.S. government, an entity that has plagued the domestic and international arena throughout modern history with unprecedented murder, destruction, and injustice. We encourage you to become involved in our efforts to bring about the necessary political and social revolution in the United States of America.

For additional information, to host a speaker, or for media inquiries please contact:

Arissa,
PO Box 6058
Portland, Oregon 97228
(503) 972-1140
info@arissa.org
 And:
 http://www.arissa.org/contact.html

 Arissa Contact Information


Currently, the Arissa organization has a west coast chapter in Portland, Oregon
and an east coast chapter in Buffalo, New York. These are pilot chapters and
will be used as models to build a nation of chapters, a fundamental step in
building the necessary revolutionary movement in the United States of America.

For general information and questions please email: info@arissa.org

For our Portland Chapter, please contact:

Arissa - Portland Chapter
P.O. Box 6058
Portland, OR 97228
(503) 972-1140
email

For our Buffalo Chapter, please contact:

Arissa - Buffalo Chapter
P.O. Box 232
South Wales, NY 14139
(716) 698-2396
email

To reach Arissa Media Group, a company working to build a necessary
revolutionary consciousness in the United States, contact:

Arissa Media Group, LLC
P.O. Box 6058
Portland, OR 97228
(503) 972-1143
email
www.arissamediagroup.com


The arissa media group website seems to be dead, but whois is current:

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Creation date: 11 Sep 2003 18:39:00
Expiration date: 11 Sep 2013 18:39:00
 The website owner's wiki page barely mentions Arissa.  But it does mention him being an egotistical prick with his employees:

Restaurant owner

In January 2004, with the financial backing of his parents, Rosebraugh opened Calendula, then Portland's only all-vegan and organic restaurant. The restaurant was named one of the best vegetarian restaurants in North America in 2004 by Veg News Magazine. He was criticized in the local press for his treatment of his employees and for failing to adhere to principles he had espoused. Employees that he fired joined the Wobblies union which organized a boycott of the restaurant.[11][21] Rosebraugh spent $3,000 to defend himself in ads in the local alternative press.[21] Other employees came to Rosebraugh's defense, accusing the IWW union as misguided and "barking up the wrong tree."[22] He closed the restaurant in September 2004, and reopened it for a short time in December of that year.[21][23] The restaurant closed its doors for good late in 2005.

" He was criticized in the local press for his treatment of his employees and for failing to adhere to principles he had espoused."  Making readers wonder how the dick planned to start a revolutionary movement is he had the charisma of a flea ridden rat with herpes.    Was he starting another cult front?   And was Evdokas' bs objections another "make your own competition" cult scam?




???

Final tongue in cheek word goes to IMC user "Buffy":

 How to make more revolutionaries 22.Apr.2004 22:57

Buffy
1. Pick a critical event and declare yourself the most extreme solution to the problem.
2. Name those who are not revolutionary enough by your standards. Criticize and denigrate accordingly.
3. If no one responds strongly enough, create an attack, like burning your dumpster. (Where is the fire dept report?)
4. Criticize the enemy in terms strong enough to require them to respond.
5. If the enemy does not respond strongly enough, fabricate an encounter (where are the police's incident and arrest reports?).
6. Arrange a mass confrontation between supporters and the enemy by calling for a public rally.
7. If the enemy cannot be made to attach the supporters, arrange for some supporters to attack the enemy. (The enemy is, of course, the police.)
8. Leverage the resulting publicity into a larger following.
9. Keep step one in mind, but now YOU are the critical event, and all who have been caught up in confrontations become your greened supporters.
10. and start again with step two.

I'm sorry folks, this one is a little too predictable. After the march, little things like verification of actually harassment and arson will not matter any more, because Arissa will be it's own cause. Remeber that Buffy told you about it here first.

love & hugs

Buffy

 "I'm sorry folks, this one is a little too predictable. After the march, little things like verification of actually harassment and arson will not matter any more, because Arissa will be it's own cause."


This is the definition of a cult scam. Smart girl, that Buffy. 


Did Evdokas know? Did he help set it up?